TyWoo, thank you for closing this.
fairportmagic, go ahead and leave negative feedback. The swastika bit is really completely over the top.
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TyWoo, thank you for closing this.
fairportmagic, go ahead and leave negative feedback. The swastika bit is really completely over the top.
About the de facto style of the current rating system; if an additional rating was added to +1 feedback, we could separate the rating of a trader's honesty (card sent, in (relatively) described condition) and a trader's conduct.
If a user selects +1, a simple 3-star rating element could display, possibly with each labeled Speed, Packaging, Attitude. Traders can give a 0, 1/2, or 1 rating in each category, or ratings can be a full a range 0, 1/2, 1 - 4 1/2, 5.
If the former is used, on a user's Trades/Feedback page, an expanded graphic could be displayed, showing the 3 categories as 3-star averages, e.g. for 3 1-star ratings and a half-star rating in one category would be shown as 2.5 stars; averaged, increased 300%, and rounded to nearest .5 (<.75).This would leave +1 and -1 as either legit or scammer/dishonest, and neutral feedback can be eliminated, moving the feedback usually left there to the additional ratings of +1 feedback. This would give a permanent and visible place for relevant information on a trader's ethic.
Yep, multiple feedbacks sounds like a good idea! We'll think about adding that in some way.
We've notified noah, he has 7 days to respond.
Let's go with kraegin's suggestion. If you don't get the cards until tomorrow (monday), he should send your cards back.
NickTheSushi, you are suspended from trading until this is resolved.
Can you please send 5$ on paypal to fairportmagic so we can close this?
We have decided to start applying some of the suggestions.
1. All members who are moderators only in thir subcommunity forum are now marked as Community Admin instead of Moderator. We now have a handful of people marked as Moderator, and Laura, Catinca and myself marked as Deckbox Team.
2. I have updated the BTR posting rules http://deckbox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=31533#p31533 . We will now forbid people to post in BTR threads unless they have important, relevant information about the case being discussed. Moderators and Deckbox Team are extempt from this rule.
Modertors can delete posts that are against the rules at any point on BTRs, or to ask BTR submitters to fix their sumissions according to the rules, offer suggestions or corrections.
For now we will keep the Deckbox Team members as being the only people to actually "bold-post" with official requests and resolutions on BTR threads. We will be discussing this though. We appreciate everyone offering to help with this, and will be considering widening the number of people responsible, but for now we'll do it ourselves.
Please keep the discussion going, if people have further suggestions do not hesitate to discuss them here. We'll be reading!
ColtonisWright, it does not matter what seems to you fishy or not, what matter are the rules and the behaviour of your trade partners. In this case, their behaviour was exemplary, and they will receive positive feedback for it! Mail gets lost, and that is a fact of online trading.
Please use tracking for sending as the rules specify, if you wish to avoid these risks, as do most people trading online. You are lucky that Treehugger1 has accepted half the value of your trade as compensation. Generally you are fully responsible for your mail if you do not use tracking.
P.S. There's a lot of filler talk here, with fairportmagic accusing people again again of being "fishy" for lost mail, even on BTRs that are not his. We are revising the BTR rules now, and these threads will be restricted to Moderators and deckbox team members from now on.
Closing this.
You are suspended from trading for one day. Please reconsider your approach to our rules until tomorrow, and everyone will continue happily trading afterwards ![]()
You probably do not want someone to reject you at job interviews in your future because of your online trading behaviour. Because everyone evaluating you in the future will start by a google for your name and address, and a scammers page will be really high in those results.
Good arguments on all sides.
The "feedback levels" right now represent in my mind (possible the help pages should be updated):
Neutral: a poor experience with a trader, that might be subjective or not, that caused a bad communication, slight delays, a bit of stress, but in the end was resolved without loss of value or too much aggressive fighting. We don't interfere with these, you can say what you want, if you think you don't deserve it we won't do anything about it anyway. This does not influence your positive trade percentage at all.
Negative: a very poor experience. Whoever receives this would be aggresive, dishonest, using obscene language and threats. Other people with negative ignore their trading partner, ignore the admin emails and are generally unreliable. There is still no material loss here, no cards stolen.
The problem in the past when we were not 'policing' feedback was that some people leave negative out of spite, they lie about it, and do things to mess up trade histories of good and honest traders. We did not really want to get involved in these kinds of discussions, but the truth is it brings down the value of the community and pisses off honest people. And we should protect those kinds of people for the community to foster.
While we did not police feedback, we still got emails to support@deckbox.org from people receiving unfair negative feedback. So we still had to do an investigation and judge the situation, only it happened behind the scenes. And while some people did send us emails about it, and we solved it, others when getting to score +4 -1 after 5 trades, for no reason, and just left the site. So it seemed like an official process was needed, as negative feedback is (for good reason) regarded as an important indicator.
Maybe we should clarify to people that although there are stricter rules for negative feedback, it does not mean that person is a scammer or a thief. (If he's a scammer he will be flagged as one and banned). It just means that one particular trade did no go smooth and he was difficult to talk to.
ColtonisWright, you do realize that your name, house address and email address will be publicly displayed on our website and all websites we will collaborate with to stop online scamming.
People googling your name will see you are a thief and scammer.
We have notified mymomcall11, waiting for his response
P.S. Offtopic: I've moved the offtopic discussion in this thread to site feedback, and posted my input there. http://deckbox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=6877
I have moved the discussion from http://deckbox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=8900 here.
The observation that some people are strictly moderators in their own community and others have powers over most of the forum has been noted, and we shall probably change the way that is displayed.
Also it has been noted that people would like less off-topic conversations in the BTRs and I kind of agree, only I'm not sure if we should enforce that drastically or not yet. We're thinking about it. We will definitely move multiple-post discussions out of there if they're not relevant to that specific case (like now).
Last but not least, HikingStick offered a friendly opinion / advice for you Actinide, in a tone that was not at all commanding or accusing. So I think your aggresivity is not warranted in any way.
Moderators are moderators because they help us and most of all they help other users with information and advice. I personally think they do a great job at that and that many people are grateful for it.
Let's keept it friendly.
ColtonWright, sadly the rules are pretty clear, and our rules are similar to every other big trading site rules. Senders are responsible for their cards getting to the destination, and to prove it via tracking in case of dispute.
Please resend the cards you owe in these trades, or if your trade partners prefer you to send their cards back, please do that.
Refusal to do so will get you marked as a scammer publicly.
When does this stuff sync or is it on the fly when you load a card's detailed page?
It is synced daily from tcgplayer. In this case the tcgplayer API does indeed give us 53.20 as a low price, even though their page has 2 other lower prices in the list.
We'll ask them about it, but I think, like Youry says, there are "softening" the extremes of the price range so that they prevent wild price fluctuations caused by some vendors.
This weekend brings us the last set in the Return to Ravnica block, Dragon's Maze.
We have now imported the cards to our database, prices should be updated as well for all of them. Check them out here: http://deckbox.org/games/mtg/cards?f=53 =i&o=d
This time we have opted to mark this new edition as legal in Standard, Extended and Modern straight away, as it is less confusing for everybody. Please be advised though that your decks will only be legal to play in sanctioned tournaments after the official release next weekend. The legality information is updating right now, should be correct for all decks in a couple of hours.
We hope everyone had fun at prereleases. Happy deckbuilding!
P.S. We have fixed 2 big-ish issues these last days, one with inaccurate reporting of inventory values and another with access issues for TMobile users. Check out the announcement post for more details: http://deckbox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=8800
Thank you for reporting this. It was sadly a serious bug in our inventory value calculations.
Please see the thread we posted in announcements for further details: http://deckbox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=8800
Inaccurate inventory value calculation
Sadly we have found a serious old bug we had in the inventory value calculation (The sum you are shown when clicking Show Value). Cards with multiple printings in the same edition were being calculated multiple times by mistake.
This caused the value shown to be exagerated, with the error margin going up to 20% in some extreme cases
. If you are often checking your collection value or tracking it regularly, please update it to the value displayed now which is the correct one.
We're very sorry for this issue and hope it never happens again. Thank you to YouryDW for reporting this.
TMobile issues
Since last year we had reports of TMobile users in the US not being able to access the website from their phones through 3G. The issue was solved yesterday.
Many heartfelt thanks to HikingStick who has discussed with the TMobile tech support people and has convinced them to fix this problem!
Gizzet, you are now suspended from trading on deckbox and banned on the forum for 3 months for offensive language and aggressive behaviour.
Real life priorities have taken precedent over this as I am in school and have had a lot of work. I have not been able to get out until today to get the $5 out into the mail.
Great that you've sent them, thank you for letting us know and solving this in the end.
Wooow HikingStick, that is excellent news! Many thanks!
Wow, that's a great accomplishment HikingStick, thanks! Be sure to let us know when they get back to you.
I think you're right with the announcement, and I will make an announcement post and move all the T-Mobile discussion in there. Users will see it in their news feeds afterwards.
Can his feedback comment be wiped off my profile please?
Still thinking about this. 99% of the time we don't mess with feedback comments, we just enfoce the score. We'll discuss the issue and I will post back.
NickTheSushi, any reason for this delay? Can you do your part of the deal as soon as possible please so we can close this?
Gizzet, if you had a positive attitude and something nice to say to solve this issue in this BTR, we'd have waived the negative feedback.
But you instead are cursing and calling people names, making threats and accusations. We don't want that kind of language and behaviour here. Please consider this a last warning. Should you continue with this language, we will have to suspend your account from trading.
Vincentraisin, you can leave negative feedback. But please note you are not all in the green either, in the future please be more explicit about expecting people to send first. Especially on trades you propose yourself.
Closing this.
Since AsymptomaticPyrexia does not wish to leave negative feedback and the other trades are local, this BTR is closed.
Hermes_Pagan, please do not do this kind of thing again. Inform your trade partners when you will be late in sending, not 1 month afterwards. Consider this a warning that any further BTR you will be involved in, you will start at a severe disadvantage.
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