HikingStick wrote:It may just be me, but on the trade interface, I liked seeing each side of the trade in a separate column, as is the case with the current site. It made it easier to view both sides of a trade. Also, with wide-screen displays being much more common these days, I have far more horizontal screen space than I do vertical. Am I the only one who likes the current two-column model?

I also really miss the two column mode. I am very quick at arithmetic, but, alas, it is now extremely difficult to quickly eyeball if I'm going to be able to make a trade that is roughly equal. Side-by-side was far better for that. For me, the new interface is far worse for actually being able to conduct trades, especially when we both have more than just a couple cards that the other person needs. I look at marumari<->codysattva (can get 73, can receive 62) and it's almost entirely impossible to do now. Even just 15<->15 is hard to decipher. :(

Bugs I am seeing:
- When I look at an individual card, it always says "Found 0 users", for all pulldown menus.

- When I look at an individual card, I also only get page 1 of 1, even though there are far more users with the cards.

- When I look at an individual card, it shows myself as having cards in my Wishlist. I'm not sure that is necessary. Further, for Hallowed Fountain, I show up as needing 1, and then needing 2, in the wishlist pulldown. I don't need to show up there, when I'm listed above as well.

Questions / Feedback / Requests:
- Will the new version of the site fix the problem of making it very hard to find people to trade with, if you're looking for a specific card? In the current version, if I'm looking for a card, there might be 191 users over 28 pages (so many pages!), of which 90% of them have 0 feedback or haven't logged into the site in over a year. Sorting by distance (which is I think the current setup) is the least useful option. It would be nice if I could simply select which countries I'll trade with (Australia, Canada, USA), have the list ignore countries not on the list, and then sort the list by either immediately local, then feedback count, or simply feedback count alone. If that's not feasible, simply changing the order to be by feedback count would be a gigantic improvement for somebody like myself, who does a lot of mail trades.

- It would be nice if my Friends page could show me the amount of available trading opportunities I have, just like I get when I view the root of the site.

- Speaking of which, it would also be great if the "Trading opportunities" panel wasn't just hidden on the main page. When I first started using the site, it took me over a month to find out that it even existed. I have friends who are constantly surprised by it. It would be so much more awesome if Trading Opportunities was simply its own page, along with "Trades", "Inventory", "Tradelist", etc.

- It would also be great if I could use TCGPlayer Low in the trade itself, where everybody could see. The average is frequently terrible, especially for cards that are dropping in value, such as when they recently rotate. Right now, if I set my preferences to TCGPlayer low, in an individual trade, it shows me the low price and my trading partner their preference, which is usually the average price. Further, the totals get all screwed up. Almost all my local trades are done by TCG low, because it's far more representative of what we would actually pay.

- Since so many people only want to trade Legacy<->Legacy or Standard<->Standard, it would be nice to have an option, when viewing a trader, to "Only show standard legal cards" and to "Hide all standard legal cards".

Whew! I'll have more feedback later, but now I must get back to work! :)

Just wanted to let you know that in the csv import option the foil and promo columns are not being read...tried multiple times and even exported a dummy file to make sure that it is in the right format. The cards will be imported but those two columns might as well be blank.

Question, Sebi: Will the site be taken offline in the hours leading up to the crossover, to make sure we aren't entering/changing things that won't make the transition?

HikingStick wrote:It may just be me, but on the trade interface, I liked seeing each side of the trade in a separate column, as is the case with the current site. It made it easier to view both sides of a trade. Also, with wide-screen displays being much more common these days, I have far more horizontal screen space than I do vertical. Am I the only one who likes the current two-column model?

Agreed.

Thanks for the updates!

Ronnaldo wrote:Just wanted to let you know that in the csv import option the foil and promo columns are not being read...tried multiple times and even exported a dummy file to make sure that it is in the right format. The cards will be imported but those two columns might as well be blank.

Yes, the problem exists, I've experienced the same stuff.

And another one thing (don't really know whether to post it here or in Site feedback and discussions). Would be great to have a possibility to create folders inside Inventory just as we can do in Decks. Together with working Spoiler View that would make collectioners' life easier: I'd like to divide cards I collect (now I'm trying to collect full sets of Classic Six and Seventh Editions) from cards I use to play, and Deck-like folders would be great thing.

BlackTracktorist wrote:

Ronnaldo wrote:Just wanted to let you know that in the csv import option the foil and promo columns are not being read...tried multiple times and even exported a dummy file to make sure that it is in the right format. The cards will be imported but those two columns might as well be blank.

Yes, the problem exists, I've experienced the same stuff.

And another one thing (don't really know whether to post it here or in Site feedback and discussions). Would be great to have a possibility to create folders inside Inventory just as we can do in Decks. Together with working Spoiler View that would make collectioners' life easier: I'd like to divide cards I collect (now I'm trying to collect full sets of Classic Six and Seventh Editions) from cards I use to play, and Deck-like folders would be great thing.

Yess..very good idea!

I didn't see this posted yet, so sorry if it was.

I can't log in with my user to the alpha site in IE9. It just reloads the page after using the login box. Works fine in FF.

Can I suggest something? The potential trade's thing should not go by card quantity, but by value? I'd rather see that I can trade 9.52 to X and they could give me 5.76$ instead of 4 from me and 8 from X, OR if we could list it by how many cards we could give to the other people, seeing as there is a lot of "can give you 76, you can give 0"'s on my profile page.

I just wiped my inventory in the Alpha, so as to add some cards I'm considering in a local trade--a quick way to see the by-edition value. Anyway, while doing so, I noticed something. I'm a heavy keyboard user. Once entering data, I don't use the mouse unless absolutely necessary. In the current (live) system, I can type a name, tab to select a name (once matched to the typed text), and then can tab to a quantity field. In the new (alpha) system, it appears that the only way to change quantities while adding a card is to manually change it--as soon as I tab to select the identified card name, one of that card is added to my inventory.

I don't know where everyone else stands, but this one is a bit of a step backwards for me. I often am entering more than one copy of a card at a given time. Am I the only one who uses the current system this way?

The following happens under Chrome. Would anyone out there be willing to try to recreate this one under FF or IE?

If you have only a few items in your inventory (so that the list is not very long--doesn't require a lot of scrolling), if you try to edit the version of the card (via card details), the edition chooser bleeds off the bottom of the page, making it impossible to see edition options that fall below the bottom bound of the screen.

<Q> What happened to the option to see the cards in the order of the most recently entered when adding cards to inventory? I like the option, especially when adding lots of cards.

The View > Show Value option in Inventory does not show $0.00, regardless of what is in my inventory.

HikingStick wrote:I don't know where everyone else stands, but this one is a bit of a step backwards for me. I often am entering more than one copy of a card at a given time. Am I the only one who uses the current system this way?

After typing part of a card's name, pressing tab or enter adds one to your inventory. If you then TAB again, write a number in the box and ENTER, you get the same effect as we had on live.

Sebi,
Been playing around on the alpha site. I won't post anything more than Thanks. I can see the effort and it looks like every little complaint I had has been addressed, even some I never noticed :) The site has come a long way in 3 years. Now where is that donate button?

Oh! Hey! I thought of one other feature I had thought about, that I feel like would be really awesome to have.

Add a card called "Cash" or "Money". It represents one dollar/euro/etc. That way, I could have:

Have:
1 Liliana of the Veil
8 Cash

For:
1 Geist of Saint Traft

I already do plenty of cash transactions through the site, but it would be nice to have a cleaner way of doing it.

sebi wrote:

HikingStick wrote:I don't know where everyone else stands, but this one is a bit of a step backwards for me. I often am entering more than one copy of a card at a given time. Am I the only one who uses the current system this way?

After typing part of a card's name, pressing tab or enter adds one to your inventory. If you then TAB again, write a number in the box and ENTER, you get the same effect as we had on live.

Thanks for clarifying that, Sebi. I can live with that. :-)

TonyRoomZ wrote:The site has come a long way in 3 years. Now where is that donate button?

+111

marumari wrote:Oh! Hey! I thought of one other feature I had thought about, that I feel like would be really awesome to have.

Add a card called "Cash" or "Money". It represents one dollar/euro/etc. That way, I could have:

Have:
1 Liliana of the Veil
8 Cash

For:
1 Geist of Saint Traft

I already do plenty of cash transactions through the site, but it would be nice to have a cleaner way of doing it.

I like this idea. Perhaps a "card" that can only be added on the trade screen (so as not to come up when entering cards by name into inventory/tradelist/wishlist).

A few currency "cards" may be needed: Euro, USD, Yen, etc.?

Alternately, there could be a text or memo field for each trade, with a corresponding amount box. That way, people could list other things, too (e.g., boxes, life counters, and nearly any other trade-able goods), and the price/cost/value. Currently, such things get listed in the trade chat, but I believe an option to add in the value of other non-card items would be beneficial, if not now, then in Deckbox 3.0 (after a long and well-deserved rest for bringing us 2.0!).

HikingStick wrote:Thanks for clarifying that, Sebi. I can live with that. :-)

The thing is... I kept going back and forth on that add widget, I think I implemented it 4 times from scratch :). It's still I think not perfect and a bit confusing for new people so your feedback on it is very important.

The reason I would not have an extra quantity input is that I felt it makes it even more cluttered, as it already has a lot of stuff going on in it, with all the default inputs and so on.

By all means, I'd love to hear what people think is still not good enough usability wise with it, or even general thoughts and impressions about how it "feels" to use.

Sorry, Sebi. I just realized that I posted a lot of feedback on the Alpha in this thread. I tried to move those posts, but was not able to do so.

HikingStick wrote:Sorry, Sebi. I just realized that I posted a lot of feedback on the Alpha in this thread. I tried to move those posts, but was not able to do so.

You're right, thanks for bringing it up, I moved them. You can select moderate on a thread, then there's a checkbox on the top right of a post, and then an option to move at the bottom of the thread.

Nice to test the new version :)
I'm especially psyched about the new importfeature, so i tested it first, but run into some trouble:

Got a test.csv with the following content:

Count, Tradelist Count, Name, Foil, Textless, Promo, Signed, Edition, Condition, Language
1, 0, Telepathy,,,,,Eighth Edition,Near Mint,English

Checking the file gives me the following error:

Error: The header of the csv file is not correct. Please check that the columns in your file match the following: ["Count", "Tradelist Count", "Name", "Foil", "Textless", "Promo", "Signed", "Edition", "Condition", "Language"]
[/"Count", "Tradelist Count", "Name", "Foil", "Textless", "Promo", "Signed", "Edition", "Condition", "Language"]

So i tried importing an export i just made from my data, which gave me the same error.
Also i noticed, the file to import is named as c:\fakeroot\test.csv. I'm running a Linux with Chromium (And just checked with firefox, same problem) Anyone else run into this trouble or has any clues how to solve this?


Edit:
Sure, just after i hit sent i try another thing and it works :p
So, as it seems the header has to be without spaces for the import to work (Which is not the case in the export-file also). Maybee insert a `trim` call after splitting the csv-header?

I prefer the old way, I find it more intuitive (or perhaps I'm just used to the old way). I was a bit confused at first, not knowing how to add multiple copies or assign attributes such as foil. It was especially confusing when adding a 2nd copy of a foil. I typed the card name, pressed tab (it then added a non-foil version to my inventory). I then clicked the drop-down menu, selected foil => done => apply. It worked correctly in the end (to my surprise).

P.S. I love this site and appreciate all of the hard work you've put in to improve it. I think that almost all of the changes are significant improvements!

sebi wrote:

HikingStick wrote:Thanks for clarifying that, Sebi. I can live with that. :-)

The thing is... I kept going back and forth on that add widget, I think I implemented it 4 times from scratch :). It's still I think not perfect and a bit confusing for new people so your feedback on it is very important.

The reason I would not have an extra quantity input is that I felt it makes it even more cluttered, as it already has a lot of stuff going on in it, with all the default inputs and so on.

By all means, I'd love to hear what people think is still not good enough usability wise with it, or even general thoughts and impressions about how it "feels" to use.

I am also experiencing prices of $0.00 on my M13 cards. Also, it seems that foils & non-foils have the same price, regardless of edition.

Does it make more sense to have an import/export menu, rather than an import menu and export residing under the view menu?

Hi, Sebi. I'm on this site all the time, and I love it! I'm sure the new version will be excellent. Apologies to everyone for a post without any constructive feedback, but I really wanted to say thanks for working to make deckbox even better.
-Tom

Thanks again guys for the great (in quantity and also quality!) feedback you provided.

We've fixed a number of the reported bugs, and still have a few to go though. I won't list all issues fixed as it just gets confusing :)

Some comments:

@HikingStick's question on downtime: yes, we have a number of database migrations, upgrades and maintenance tasks to do anyway. We will post an announcement when we have a 100% release date, but I anticipate a 4 hour downtime. It will be during the EU morning / US night time, so hopefully not too many users will be affected :)

marumari wrote: I look at marumari<->codysattva (can get 73, can receive 62) and it's almost entirely impossible to do now. Even just 15<->15 is hard to decipher.

The "intersection" listing is indeed bulky, and I agree we could probably make it sleeker. That said, I'm curious if you have any suggestions on what functionality you would like it to provide.

The truth is you do need 73 cards from him, and he does need 62 cards from you. So whichever way we implement it, the lists will be large anyway. I suppose pagination would help, as would sorting them by card value. How does that sound?


Finally, we know the current features that list potential trade partners are not ideal (on users profile page and card pages), and we will change them soon. The initial release of the new version will probably not include these changes, but they're coming immediately after.

HikingStick wrote:If you have only a few items in your inventory (so that the list is not very long--doesn't require a lot of scrolling), if you try to edit the version of the card (via card details), the edition chooser bleeds off the bottom of the page, making it impossible to see edition options that fall below the bottom bound of the screen.

I also tried this in Chrome and FF, but for me the page becomes a bit longer when the menu appears, and you can scroll it a bit more. This is on a mac though, might be a different behaviour on windows I suppose. Will check again when fixing the IE bugs :)

In reference to the potential trade tools (both the intersection listing that is displayed when I am on another user's profile page and the can get/can give listing for Reddit users that is displayed on my own profile page):

If someone has specified that they want the M12 edition of Acidic Slime, and I have specified that the M11 version is in my tradelist, will Acidic Slime be displayed as a potential trade? I think that the default should be to display it, since people may specific editions without actually caring. It would be useful, however, to be able to filter down to exact matches on command, as there are users who want a lot of foil cards or A/B/U editions. It currently looks like I can trade with them, but they don't actually want anything from me.

Also, it would useful to have some different sorting available on the trading opportunities. Ideally (and I know this could be ridiculously hard to implement), I'd like to see an ordering along these lines. Take the lower of the total value that I can get and the total value I can give, and sort that in descending order. This would let me see my biggest potential trades first. Failing that, I would at least like to have the option of filtering out people who don't want anything on my tradelist.

Again, thank you for a truly amazing site!
-Tom

daishy wrote:Nice to test the new version :)
I'm especially psyched about the new importfeature, so i tested it first, but run into some trouble:

Got a test.csv with the following content:

Count, Tradelist Count, Name, Foil, Textless, Promo, Signed, Edition, Condition, Language
1, 0, Telepathy,,,,,Eighth Edition,Near Mint,English

Checking the file gives me the following error:

Error: The header of the csv file is not correct. Please check that the columns in your file match the following: ["Count", "Tradelist Count", "Name", "Foil", "Textless", "Promo", "Signed", "Edition", "Condition", "Language"]
[/"Count", "Tradelist Count", "Name", "Foil", "Textless", "Promo", "Signed", "Edition", "Condition", "Language"]

So i tried importing an export i just made from my data, which gave me the same error.
Also i noticed, the file to import is named as c:\fakeroot\test.csv. I'm running a Linux with Chromium (And just checked with firefox, same problem) Anyone else run into this trouble or has any clues how to solve this?


Edit:
Sure, just after i hit sent i try another thing and it works :p
So, as it seems the header has to be without spaces for the import to work (Which is not the case in the export-file also). Maybee insert a `trim` call after splitting the csv-header?

Just wanted to check if you were using the column headings inside quotation marks.