You're also randomly opening trade requests with people who have expressed ZERO interest in your codes. That's spam.

STOP. IT.

odanjames wrote:

beacon wrote:

odanjames wrote:
yep definitely ban a guy for trying to make a few trades . thanks for the feedback though

oh boo aren't you the blameless victim here, scamming traders, stores, and Wizards?

im not scamming traders they recieve there cards before i recieve anything ...

im not scamming stores these are free cards they make no money on and they could care less about them ....

im not scamming wizards they are giving these out for free and made this loophole possible and as someone has said in a previous post they had this problem last game ( and didnt close this loophole ) so obviously dont care either .

you are scamming traders; they don't receive 'there' cards, you're only sending out nonexistent codes to cards that are long gone.

you are scamming stores; these codes are either false or have already been redeemed, new players are getting screwed out of cards they should have received by buying a Wizards product.

you are scamming Wizards; they DON'T give these out for free, they give them to you when you BUY their product legitimately.

you done being a child about this?

Odan almost every single one of your open trades is for 4x promo oozes asking for 35-60$ worth in trade. emrakul, mistyrainforests. You are offering people nothing for their cards other then 4 used codes you got from another user doing the exact same thing you are. By your own admission nonetheless.

every trader im talking to will be going to a store redeeming these codes getting their cards before i have them send anything to me i honestly don't care what u all think. if they get there and dont recieve there packs then they wont send me anything and case will be closed .

beacon wrote:

odanjames wrote:

beacon wrote:
oh boo aren't you the blameless victim here, scamming traders, stores, and Wizards?

im not scamming traders they recieve there cards before i recieve anything ...

im not scamming stores these are free cards they make no money on and they could care less about them ....

im not scamming wizards they are giving these out for free and made this loophole possible and as someone has said in a previous post they had this problem last game ( and didnt close this loophole ) so obviously dont care either .

they will receive their cards before i even confirm my address to them.

you are scamming traders; they don't receive 'there' cards, you're only sending out nonexistent codes to cards that are long gone.

you are scamming stores; these codes are either false or have already been redeemed, new players are getting screwed out of cards they should have received by buying a Wizards product.

you are scamming Wizards; they DON'T give these out for free, they give them to you when you BUY their product legitimately.

you done being a child about this?

odanjames wrote:every trader im talking to will be going to a store redeeming these codes getting their cards before i have them send anything to me i honestly don't care what u all think. if they get there and dont recieve there packs then they wont send me anything and case will be closed .

Exactly, you are trading nothing. You are getting cards for nothing here. You are using by your own admission a scam. Surely you gotta see what's going on here? This is called fraud dude. You got everyone telling you it's not right and you shouldn't do it, yet you keep explaining your position and repeat offending.

It's still a scam james, that's what you aren't understanding here.

odanjames wrote:every trader im talking to will be going to a store redeeming these codes getting their cards before i have them send anything to me i honestly don't care what u all think. if they get there and dont recieve there packs then they wont send me anything and case will be closed .

OK, then boy have I got a deal for you! Just hear me out...

You trade me your 4 Voice of Resurgence and, in return, I'll give you a code to be used at a time machine that will be invented in 2037, that you can use to go back in time to buy a Mox Ruby for $15! I mean, I'm practically giving it away... in the past. Do we have a deal?

outofstep wrote:

odanjames wrote:every trader im talking to will be going to a store redeeming these codes getting their cards before i have them send anything to me i honestly don't care what u all think. if they get there and dont recieve there packs then they wont send me anything and case will be closed .

OK, then boy have I got a deal for you! Just hear me out...

You trade me your 4 Voice of Resurgence and, in return, I'll give you a code to be used at a time machine that will be invented in 2037, that you can use to go back in time to buy a Mox Ruby for $15! I mean, I'm practically giving it away... in the past. Do we have a deal?

Although your attempt at humor is cute, it's nothing close to accurate. It's more like...

"This is such an awesome trade, think of it this way. All you have to do is go rob your LGS. Just walk in and take $60 from them. If you do, just send me two Stormbreath Dragons! If you don't, you don't have to send me anything!"

With all due respect, the work involved in trying to find a store that still carries any of these promo Oozes isnt really worth the time and effort. Even if someone does agree to do some sort of deal, whats stopping them from just using the codes getting the cards and then telling you they didnt work? Now your out. Im just looking at the situation objectivily. If I were you I would just cash in the codes yourself, actually have the cards in the hand to trade, then go looking for offers. It really just complicates things to have the other person do the work that they might not be able to get anything out of anyway.

I think this topic has reached the end of the line guys.

jagerads wrote:

outofstep wrote:

odanjames wrote:every trader im talking to will be going to a store redeeming these codes getting their cards before i have them send anything to me i honestly don't care what u all think. if they get there and dont recieve there packs then they wont send me anything and case will be closed .

OK, then boy have I got a deal for you! Just hear me out...

You trade me your 4 Voice of Resurgence and, in return, I'll give you a code to be used at a time machine that will be invented in 2037, that you can use to go back in time to buy a Mox Ruby for $15! I mean, I'm practically giving it away... in the past. Do we have a deal?

Although your attempt at humor is cute, it's nothing close to accurate. It's more like...

"This is such an awesome trade, think of it this way. All you have to do is go rob your LGS. Just walk in and take $60 from them. If you do, just send me two Stormbreath Dragons! If you don't, you don't have to send me anything!"

LMAO FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS MY SIDE ! although when you "rob" them they don't care

odanjames wrote:

jagerads wrote:

outofstep wrote:
OK, then boy have I got a deal for you! Just hear me out...

You trade me your 4 Voice of Resurgence and, in return, I'll give you a code to be used at a time machine that will be invented in 2037, that you can use to go back in time to buy a Mox Ruby for $15! I mean, I'm practically giving it away... in the past. Do we have a deal?

Although your attempt at humor is cute, it's nothing close to accurate. It's more like...

"This is such an awesome trade, think of it this way. All you have to do is go rob your LGS. Just walk in and take $60 from them. If you do, just send me two Stormbreath Dragons! If you don't, you don't have to send me anything!"

LMAO FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS MY SIDE ! although when you "rob" them they don't care

Exactly. Why would someone care if you robbed them? Lol it's so silly that the people on this forum would be against robbery! What a bunch of prunes! When has robbing someone ever ended up making them mad?

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odanjames wrote:i got my 4 packs and learned they can be redeemed multiple times cause the stores just throw them out . yes a bit elicit but you will receive 4 oozes just call around find a place that has for android packs still and there ya go i am not attempting to rip off any person on this site even though its a bit of a scam against wizards but it dont harm the stores either so no hate mail please


i will even give you the code first after you have packs in hand you send me some cards

Wait, so you already redeemed the codes, but you're reselling the codes?

Why is this guy not banned yet? This is theft.

jagerads wrote:

odanjames wrote:

jagerads wrote:
Although your attempt at humor is cute, it's nothing close to accurate. It's more like...

"This is such an awesome trade, think of it this way. All you have to do is go rob your LGS. Just walk in and take $60 from them. If you do, just send me two Stormbreath Dragons! If you don't, you don't have to send me anything!"

LMAO FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS MY SIDE ! although when you "rob" them they don't care

Exactly. Why would someone care if you robbed them? Lol it's so silly that the people on this forum would be against robbery! What a bunch of prunes! When has robbing someone ever ended up making them mad?

i'm not robbing the person on here getting the code, they're robbing a store just to clarify. and i have been completely honest with everyone i have offered these too ... not to mention the store as i said dont care about these packs or these codes

I'm closing this thread to help prevent any further conflict.

I've already sent Sebi an email regarding this so please do not clog up his inbox any further with this issue. Please check back here for his reply.

Thanks for your cooperation and patience.

odanjames, please cancel all your open trades involving those duplicated codes. If you traded them already to someone, please send their cards back or you will be marked a scammer.

I will be contacting the trade partners of cowabunga2. If the codes are duplicated, he will be banned for lying to us and marked a scammer if he does not return the cards to all people that received duplicated codes.

In response to these complications, we will not allow trading of codes anymore on deckbox. Thank you for understanding.

sebi wrote:odanjames, please cancel all your open trades involving those duplicated codes. If you traded them already to someone, please send their cards back or you will be marked a scammer.

I will be contacting the trade partners of cowabunga2. If the codes are duplicated, he will be banned for lying to us and marked a scammer if he does not return the cards to all people that received duplicated codes.

In response to these complications, we will not allow trading of codes anymore on deckbox. Thank you for understanding.

Thanks!

sebi wrote:odanjames, please cancel all your open trades involving those duplicated codes. If you traded them already to someone, please send their cards back or you will be marked a scammer.

I will be contacting the trade partners of cowabunga2. If the codes are duplicated, he will be banned for lying to us and marked a scammer if he does not return the cards to all people that received duplicated codes.

In response to these complications, we will not allow trading of codes anymore on deckbox. Thank you for understanding.

i have not traded any away . as for the cards i owe too cowabunga2 for codes should i be sending him them cards for them codes . and all my trades with these are canceled .

odanjames wrote:

sebi wrote:odanjames, please cancel all your open trades involving those duplicated codes. If you traded them already to someone, please send their cards back or you will be marked a scammer.

I will be contacting the trade partners of cowabunga2. If the codes are duplicated, he will be banned for lying to us and marked a scammer if he does not return the cards to all people that received duplicated codes.

In response to these complications, we will not allow trading of codes anymore on deckbox. Thank you for understanding.

i have not traded any away . as for the cards i owe too cowabunga2 for codes should i be sending him them cards for them codes . and all my trades with these are canceled .

Well you are lucky in a way you only managed to scam http://deckbox.org/trades/125558?s=41280 before this got put to an end. So consider yourself lucky. The damage combunga2 has done is huge, it's going to take awhile for the admins to clean up this mess. Plus the fact that the people you guy's did business with might be doing it aswell...

I would probably consider apologizing to the community in this thread for blatantly disregarding the fact what you were doing was a scam when everyone was telling you it was. That's just me though. My opinion is that you knew what you were doing was bad yet didn't feel any remorse for doing it because everyone got their cards. You are a dangerous trader and i'm actually quite shocked you're both allowed to continue trading. Not my call though, so we have to respect the sites decision.

I'm done here. Thanks to the admins for a swift course of actions and feel for them having to clean up all these transactions. I hope I helped by bringing this to their attention.

morph66 wrote:

odanjames wrote:

sebi wrote:odanjames, please cancel all your open trades involving those duplicated codes. If you traded them already to someone, please send their cards back or you will be marked a scammer.

I will be contacting the trade partners of cowabunga2. If the codes are duplicated, he will be banned for lying to us and marked a scammer if he does not return the cards to all people that received duplicated codes.

In response to these complications, we will not allow trading of codes anymore on deckbox. Thank you for understanding.

i have not traded any away . as for the cards i owe too cowabunga2 for codes should i be sending him them cards for them codes . and all my trades with these are canceled .

Well you are lucky in a way you only managed to scam http://deckbox.org/trades/125558?s=41280 before this got put to an end. So consider yourself lucky. The damage combunga2 has done is huge, it's going to take awhile for the admins to clean up this mess. Plus the fact that the people you guy's did business with might be doing it aswell...

I would probably consider apologizing to the community in this thread for blatantly disregarding the fact what you were doing was a scam when everyone was telling you it was. That's just me though. My opinion is that you knew what you were doing was bad yet didn't feel any remorse for doing it because everyone got their cards. You are a dangerous trader and i'm actually quite shocked you're both allowed to continue trading. Not my call though, so we have to respect the sites decision.

I'm done here. Thanks to the admins for a swift course of actions and feel for them having to clean up all these transactions. I hope I helped by bringing this to their attention.

i feel i was doing nothing wrong because these people are receiving a fair value in cards for there cards even aftre i found the "scam" myself i was still planning on sending my cards out to the guy who gave me the codes, your just narrow minded and since its not making me loose a physical card you personally dont like it every person i opened trade with was being told my "scam" up front and was going to accept it as promo codes for cards they would have gone to a store handed in there codes got cards came home said yes or no that they got cards and sent me something in return . yes this isn't how the designers planned it but i really dont care . the boss man here says i have to cancel it and move on so i am but i don't have to like or agree with so you can definitely eat an apology morph66 i don't owe you anything and i think most of you still need to get a life and stay out peoples buisness if its not harming anyone on this site .

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Please watch your language on this forum.

Odan, let me make something clear.

YOU ARE WRONG IN DOING THIS.

Holy hell.

Do you really think the mods would ban this activity if you were doing nothing wrong?

It doesn't matter if they get the cards or not. The codes are to be used for ONE card each. Sure, a lot of us probably went to 4 different stores with it but nobody tried bringing other people into by TAKING THEIR CARDS for a code that's already been used. This is a scam every way you look at it.

odanjames, you are banned and suspended from trading, since 10 minutes after you are caught doing questionable things you are still cursing people.

beacon, I have deleted your post, please watch your language on this forum.

timesnewspartan wrote:It doesn't matter if they get the cards or not. The codes are to be used for ONE card each. Sure, a lot of us probably went to 4 different stores with it but nobody tried bringing other people into by TAKING THEIR CARDS for a code that's already been used.

Is this common knowledge that codes can be reused? Were other trades going on on deckbox involving these codes? Please let us know at support@deckbox.org . We are probably going to gather more information and contact Wizards regarding this.

sebi wrote:

timesnewspartan wrote:It doesn't matter if they get the cards or not. The codes are to be used for ONE card each. Sure, a lot of us probably went to 4 different stores with it but nobody tried bringing other people into by TAKING THEIR CARDS for a code that's already been used.

Is this common knowledge that codes can be reused? Were other trades going on on deckbox involving these codes? Please let us know at support@deckbox.org . We are probably going to gather more information and contact Wizards regarding this.

Sent you an email Sebi

sebi wrote:

timesnewspartan wrote:It doesn't matter if they get the cards or not. The codes are to be used for ONE card each. Sure, a lot of us probably went to 4 different stores with it but nobody tried bringing other people into by TAKING THEIR CARDS for a code that's already been used.

Is this common knowledge that codes can be reused? Were other trades going on on deckbox involving these codes? Please let us know at support@deckbox.org . We are probably going to gather more information and contact Wizards regarding this.

Yes, it is.

There are a few people on this site who had 5+ copies of the Scavenging Ooze promo in their tradelist only a couple days after the offer went live. They probably bought one copy of the game and shopped the code around to multiple stores. There is nothing that you, as Deckbox, can do to prevent them from doing that, but putting a stop to trading the codes is a good move on your end.

sebi wrote:

timesnewspartan wrote:It doesn't matter if they get the cards or not. The codes are to be used for ONE card each. Sure, a lot of us probably went to 4 different stores with it but nobody tried bringing other people into by TAKING THEIR CARDS for a code that's already been used.

Is this common knowledge that codes can be reused? Were other trades going on on deckbox involving these codes? Please let us know at support@deckbox.org . We are probably going to gather more information and contact Wizards regarding this.

It was supposed to be fixed this year after last years fiasco. When the codes were first launched this year people on gamefaqs were trading android codes for steam codes, and ps3 codes for xbox360 codes. I guess in the end the merchants just didn't have to insert the codes online to see if they were redeemed or not, which allows people like odan and cowabunga to take advantage of the situation.

It is really scary that even though he knew he was scamming that there is no remorse there and he thought he was in his right to do so. People like this should be permanently banned from the site as the next time an opportunity arises to take advantages of people, you better believe these guy's are going to take advantage of the situation.

We don't even get the promos in quebec because of some lottery law. I personally had to get a friend from tennesse to redeem my 2 codes for me for buying the 360 and ios versions.

I had to pay 7 bucks in shipping to get my 1 copy of an ooze and 1 bonescythe, so yeah i'm going to get mad when people like cowabunga make a good 600$ in profit recycle the same codes to empty out the stores stock and line their pockets.

Look at odamjames's traderecord, the guy was literally opening up a trade with every single person he saw post on this forum asking them if they wanted apart of this, then a chain effect happens.

It hurts us all guy's, so think twice about getting cards in these ways and not reporting it when you are approached.

Tone it down a little bit, Walter Whiteknight.

Obviously, it's wrong to trade codes but I don't think banning everybody the first time they do something wrong is really called for. That's why suspension is a thing. I think suspension is the right way to go here. If he does it again, ban him for good and label him a scammer. Seems like the most reasonable way of going about this.