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Alright, some of these decks are combos I read about and so I'll have to explain them in detail on why they are present.

Obviously the Captain America is a joke. I was going to throw in some Accorder's Shields for flair. I could easily just make it a R/W humans deck to make it more efficient. I was curious on how else I could make it viable without the dual lands I obviously need just because a three color can be painful. (Hence the apparent problem with it.) Cloudshift was simply to exploit the clause for Zealous Conscript. Conscript comes into play, take control of creature. Cloudshift said creature, it's now mine permanently since it's never the original creature and therefore doesn't go back. I could essentially do the same thing with Ghostly Flicker to include artifacts or land. Or, I could cloudshift the conscript again for another creature the second time. Lots of variation. The problem is mana, really. I should have Shimmering grottos or any land fetch cards to make it easier, really. And btw, I don't think Timely Reinforcements will work that way. It's just white soldiers, not humans. And fling is really awesome when I attack with a red human and then fling it afterward just for extra gumption. But I can see how it's not that great. It was just for Captain America pride. lol

Germans is just a deck I put together to essentially burn libraries. Or try, that is. The one time I played it and really did damage was playing two other friends (Originally, it was one on one, and that's why I played it) and made them burn roughly 60+ cards between the both of them before they killed me. With your recommendations, I think I will check those cards out because I do see the snowball effect and I likes! Thank you for this one! And to be honest, I didn't really have a plan for Hexmage Vampire except to counter other counters like planeswalkers. (Not sure if that really works.) But I did want to keep the Sadistic Sacrament and felt bad if that was the only black card.

Nightmare 2: This one has the Venser/Oblivion Ring/Sundial trick. And you're right, it doesn't work on the Geist's Angel like I thought it would, but essentially this is what happens. I oblivion ring a permanent. On the 2nd main phase, I blink the oblivion ring on the permanent with Venser and then quickly stop the turn. Everything on the stack disappears and the permanent is gone for good and doesn't come back for the Rings second part. this could also be done for Mimic Vat also. I know, it's dirty. With any of these combos, I just want to try them once and then not do it again.

Screwed up: This is an alter to my other multiplayer life-gain, MP Nightmare. I wanted to get something that could gain me life extremely. I've played this deck 5 times and I could not get the combo that I read from Reddit last week. First, I need to have a Suture Priest, and then a Fiend Hunter (opponent's creature exiled is optional). Then I would need to have 5 mana to put down an oblivion ring for the Fiend Hunter and Relic-Warder targeting the ring. Then when the Fiend Hunter comes back, it targets the Relic-Warder and bam. Infinite Life. Unfortunately, I can't get the cards in my hand without dying horribly. And no, I still have not got my chalice's flipped and utilized the Unwinding Clock for multiplayer. Everyone sees the damage and I'm toast fairly quickly.

Altered Knight: you are definitely right on the flyer bit. I should easily add in a lot of flyers or something to combat the flyer threat. The red is just to bring out the Oxid Ridge guy. Perhaps I should just put him into my mono-red deck, but thought I'd try for the knight. I wanted to see how well indestructible could work for cheap instead of waiting on an Avacyn, really. This was just getting ideas from the Duel Decks, Knights and Dragons. (Ha, that's an awesome card btw.)

Yeah, Spirits: Not sure why I don't have Lingering Souls except I would need to add black to it to capitalize on the flashback. And that's true on the Automaton, but it won't make them flying, will it? That's probably why I didn't add it, but anything is worth a shot.

And yes, we are to Delver: I know it's been done to death (Hence the name I gave it.), but I lack the cards that most have and wanted to see what I could make of mine. And yes, I've already tried just using Invisible Stalkers and Runechanter's Pikes, but something was missing. I just wanted to see how it worked and the ideas in it. What I really wanted to try was the snapcasters. The first one I got, I quickly traded it on here for (what I thought) excellent cards. Then I started to explore blue and was like.... why did I trade that guy?!?

Now this is the kicker. I hardly play one on one with these. It happens, but the focus is multiplayer with friends. I really have no idea how to adjust for other people in a game. I'm usually out of options and no hand at turn 8 and others just have a much bigger force than I. It's like I didn't do anything at all all those turns.

So for the rundown...

For playing multiplayer in general, and mind you I haven't been in more than three person games in years, but the real challenge is finding the balance between having a solid defense and still being able to affect the board.  If you have something INCREDIBLY powerful but that requires a combo that someone might spot, odds are you should setup the deck with a more defensive mindset, meaning more creature removal and blockers.  If someone spots you pulling out an infinite life combo, you'd better believe you'll be dead in the next turn or so; but if you have a solid enough defense, you can simply laugh it off, drop the bomb and win the game.  To that end, you likely will want to augment ALL of your decks depending on their key combo/standard and drawn-out win conditions.  Also, the degree to which you can figure out how to draw additional cards while your opponent still only gets one a turn is a MAJOR plus in multiplayer (via Well of Knowledge, Mad Prophet, or any of a wealth of other cards).

Captain America - I can see where it would work if you have it as a three color deck, but realistically, you should build the other colors in a bit more.  The problem with only having 2-3 cards from a color is that you ALWAYS (thanks to Murphy's Law) end up drawing the land for that color and are sitting there with mountains when you really need plains (or islands - to which point you still didn't say where the blue is coming from ).  You're right about Timely Reinforcements but if you're all bout human creation, Commander's Authority on a Thraben Doomsayer will work that out for you quite well.

Germans - First off, this deck is SCREAMING for Jace, Memory Adept to be included.  More importantly, here's where I'm talking about upping the defense.  If you put Keening Stone into play and your opponents have cards in their graveyards, you'd best get ready for it to hit the fan.  For blue I've found Guard Gomazoa to be among the most effective defenders at stalling the game, as he can block ANYTHING and it won't kill him or harm you.  Sadistic Sacrament can stay in and I'm sure you can find some other black removal or other things to help lighten their card load.  Gnat Miser is always a fun one.  Put that into play with 2-3 Howling Mine out and you can laugh as they're stuck discarding stuff left and right because their max hand size is down to three, while they're drawing more than that each turn.  However, as with any "everybody draws more cards" situation, it could easily backfire.  Actually, if you wanted to pull the black and go mono-blue, you have more options.  Prodigal Sorcerer/Zuran Spellcaster (or anything of the TIM family) would work beautifully with Mindcrank.  Lastly, Mirran Spy/Puppeteer/Stonybrook Anlger would be killer here as you can attack with whatever you want equipped with the Trepanation Blade, they drop how many cards, and then you untap the attacker before combat resolves to prevent your creature from getting killed.

Nightmare 2 - I hadn't realized that if you flicker Oblivion Ring and then end the turn with that effect.  When looking at the cards I don't think it would work, as whatever Oblivion Ring exiled is returned to play as soon as it leaves play, which means that before you would be able to end the turn, returning that card to play would be on the stack remaining to be resolved, then, in the same way that a Royal Assassin cannot cancel out a Prodigal Sorcerer, the effect would still have to be resolved.  If you can get a more solid ruling on that I'd be open to hear about it.

Screwed Up - The infinite life gain is clever, but you need four cards to pull it off.  If you're going to run that strategy I would say you should focus even more on defense.  You need to stall your opponents until you can get them all into the battlefield, so gaining life quickly via Martyr of Sands and Rest for the Weary is essential.   Then I would drop Lifelink for defenders who already have it, i.e., Seraph of Dawn.  You should save the Chalices until you've already passed the 30 mark, and then you'll be able to get that damage in quickly.  With Unwinding Clock you would be able to get 10 damage in before they could do anything to stop you.

Altered Knight - I definitely feel you here.  I've actually toyed with the idea of putting together a deck like this.   Again, you can either stress the flying defense or throw in Pacifism, Defang, or Recumbent Bliss.  Those would likely solve your problems too unless their entire deck is based on flying.

Spirits - You already have the black to flashback Lingering Souls via Shimmering Grotto.

Delver - yeah... Delvers and Snapcasters, yuck.

Captain America: (Must have forgotten islands. Whoops!)

Germans: Jace would be awesome.

Nightmare 2: Read the fine print on Sundial of the Infinite. Everything on the stack as it's tapped is exiled. Feel free to look up Venser tricks. There's another with Glimmerpoint Stag.

Screwed up: If I go into infinite life mode, I know my friends will concede and there's really no reason to keep playing after that. I think I'll scrap it and really focus on getting 30+ life as soon as possible and then drop some chalices. That's the only way I can really do it.

Altered Knight: Will definitely add some removal. Hell knows I need it.

Spirits: Another well observation. I only have four and I forget what decks those are in.

I won't bring up that unmentionable again. :-P

Green deck: Birds of Paradise were a way for flight blockers along with mana gain. I wasn't utilizing their multicolor, but they seem a lot more useful than the elves last time I played. I know I had elves in them before and I was embarrassed, let's put it that way. Lumberknot is part of it, but I wanted to really mess with people on the trainees. I do like all your other thoughts, especially the darksteel one. I'll be making a lot of changes hopefully. :-)

Thanks again!

I really should look at these decks before I post them... I swear I had Hedron Crabs in there! I just looked at my deck and sure enough, I do. I definitely don't have deranged assistant or Mindshrieker in there anymore. Huh.

I also deleted screwed up. Just thinking about it, I'm doing something wrong. And I'm definitely using Seraph of Dawn now. So, I altered my MP Nightmare that replaced it. http://deckbox.org/sets/148657 Edit: Added some cards I think would fit, but still need to whittle it down.

Last edited by Hellnikko (2012-06-04 10:48:41)

Wow, you rock! Thanks a ton for the advice and I'll have to do some research on the cards and get back to them. Some of them I'm not familiar with and I'll have to look them up individually.

I have to do a report on some of the decks I used this past week.

Germans did very well heads-up. I'm not sure if it was just the perfect starting hand, but once I can get a hedron crab, mindcrank and trepanation blade, it's locked down tight. I had him so mana starved and just pummeled him so bad that I actually felt bad about it! I didn't use that many sorceries or instants, if at all. Then we played a three person FFA and I barely won that. We all played a blue of some kind and one of them brought Jace out. The only thing that really saved me is that they didn't notice me as a threat, which I was sad about. I just sort of won because really, I looked pathetic. Then I drew two Increasing Confusion and pumped them twice for U8. Meaning 48 cards in 4 turns hit the graveyard. I was also one mana off from Kicking Sadistic Sacrament, so I was sad about that. If only I didn't block with my two deranged assistant, which I found out I did have in there. I ended up taking them out to put in some Grindclocks. This deck is easily the worst deck that I've made and it actually turned out, or rather played out, perfectly for me.

My MP nightmare also worked extremely well. Flying defense has helped tons and it does help to get as much life as possible to flip the chalice of lifes. Then add the unwinding clock later. I was always just trying to focus on the setup but what I needed to do was rush there and then execute.

Copy of Splinterfright deck is just mean. I have to try really hard to lose to it, no matter who's playing. I played a guy who likes to Day of Judgment everything at the start and it really blew up in his face during one of our games. I was so pumped up that it was nearly impossible for anyone to do anything. I like it the most.

And surprisingly enough, my delver is doing well without most of it's components. Today, I filled in all the holes but I love to play it because it actually makes my friends play better, smarter, and puts me into a lot more control then I'm used to. It truly is a little different playing experience with that one. These guys really think twice, wait a bit after they cast something just to make sure I can't mana leak or flash a snapcaster out. It's great. Maybe I'm used to revving up all the time. Perhaps that's a bad thing too. *shrug*

(More decks to come...)

Last edited by Hellnikko (2012-06-09 07:22:38)

I have some new ones. Feel free to tear them apart and put them back together. :-)

Eldrazi Conscripts: http://deckbox.org/sets/184306

Cranberries: http://deckbox.org/sets/164186 (Added Endless Ranks of the Dead)

Copy of Land Hate 2.0: http://deckbox.org/sets/184122 (Not my creation)

R/W Humans: http://deckbox.org/sets/184236 (This one I need help with and want to know if/how I could utilize the combos)

First off, I'm with imsully on Avacyn's Pilgrim over the Llanowar Elves.  However, to be honest, I would drop either in favor of Abundant Growth, as it doesn't help the mana ramping, but helps you draw cards and can allow you to use ANY land for any color, so then if you get six of any land, you should be set to go.  I'd also find a way to include Wingcrafter to be able to make your creatures flying (even if it comes at the cost of Squadron Hawk).  Then you have the flying defense but also can generate flying offense.  The one thing I'm concerned about here is the fact that outside of Sovereigns of Lost Alara, if you don't draw Eldrazi Conscription in the first few turns, you really don't have much going on.  Perhaps you could build in a few larger creatures or some other means to ensure that you can remain competitive.  Lastly, while you have a means to make your creatures hexproof, remember that they're still free to target an enchantment on said hexproof creature.

For Cranberries, I've actually tried a copy of this deck myself with quite limited results if you start adding other cards.  While Endless Ranks of the Dead helps to generate more zombies, it could easily kill the deck's momentum, such that if you don't have another Treasure Hunt in hand, you could be up the creek for 10+ turns.  I would actually suggest including two Elixir of Immortality and taking out the Endless Ranks.  Also, how many turns are you willing to mulligan to get the right hand for this deck?  I've had to go three or four times before I have a hand with anything good.

For Land Hate, I get that it's someone else's deck design so I understand if you can't really explain the full reasoning the other person had, but I'm curious both what the win condition and typical expected play are.  I have a land destruction deck as well, but mine operates mono-red with Meekstone, Circle of Flame, Vulshok Sorcerer, Lightning Bolt, Cerebral Eruption, and a few others meant to stall the opponents' options until the land destruction really gets going.  Those can buy a LOT of valuable time since land destruction doesn't really start going until you have three or four mana at your disposal.  I do like Invader Parasite though and would recommend looking into expanding beyond Standard format.  Dual Casting and Pyromancer Ascension would also work wonders here as you can take out two lands with each spell, as opposed to only one and waiting for Charmbreaker Devils to get the spells back.  Lastly, Pillage and Stone Rain are definitely good for land destruction decks.  Check out mine at http://deckbox.org/sets/142613 and feel free to ask anything you want if it will help yours out.

Lastly, for the R/W Humans, just a few thoughts.  First, this is screaming for Mentor of the Meek, Thraben Doomsayer, Commander's Authority, and Elixir of Immortality.  The Mentors will let you rip through the deck very quickly while both the Doomsayers and Authorities will pop out added creatures (while also helping the Mentors let you cut through the deck).  Elixir will let you stay alive until you can overpower the enemy while also letting you recycle your spells.  It will give you life gain that allows you to remove Alabaster Mage.  I'll again second imsully on including another Cathars' Crusade, trust me when I say this will help make the creatures dangerous, and fast.  I'd also suggest Mad Prophet as he's another human who will help you burn through the deck, but that's up to you to decide on.

Best luck!

Eldrazi Conscripts: You two are very right to use the pilgrims, but I would definitely want to use abundant growth more. Unfortunately I only have 3. Then again, I may want to focus on the ramping because the sooner I can get Sovereigns out, the better. The other cards imsully mentioned I obviously don't have, but it's something to look forward to. Especially if I like the deck enough. I didn't focus too much on the flying, but it's not a bad idea to juggle the thought. And I realize the enchantments are going to be open outside of hexproof, but if I still have a sovereigns out, I could do it again 3 more times. Also if I keep abundant growth, they have enchantments to target and may burn them up their counters before I eventually bring out the good stuff. I'll keep both thoughts in mind!

Cranberries: It hasn't been bad, really. I've milled myself to death before. That's not fun. I'm fully prepared to mulligan down to one, just as long as I can get a treasure hunt in my hand. I know the land will come and the zombie infestation should come later. If it's not, then I'm up the creek with land and no outlet to make zombies. Elixirs is NOT a bad idea either, in case I do screw up, that can be a major out. I really wanted endless ranks to add major pressure because I can only bring out 20 zombies. And they are sporadic and won't keep spawning and eventually they'll die. Elixirs will fix that, but maybe I can combo it a little? If I can get one out and no one counters or removes it, I can discard the other with something else and make a zombie with it. *shrug* How about 4 treasure hunts, 1 infestation, 1 elixir, and 1 endless? Unless someone has a Liliana's Caress, I should be fine. LOL

Land Hate 2.0: I saw this on Reddit about 3 weeks ago and had to try it out. It just sounded so damn fun, I couldn't pass it up. I ordered some of the cards and noticed it was a standard so I could bring it to a tourney for shits and giggles. But what I'd really like to do is focus on the multiplayer too. The main focus is to shut down one opponent at 3 mana constantly. That way they can't bring out their big guns while you can pummel them with yours. I REALLY like Dual casting and pyromancer Ascension and I have both! (Although only one of the ascension, sadly) Very awesome ideas and I'll keep them in mind especially when I decide to drive outside the realm of standard, which seems to be my focus for some reason.

R/W Humans: This was just unfinished and I was stuck on what I really want it to do. Do I focus on making it aggro or am I trying to be more methodical. For instance, there's a really unique combo to try and where you stick a midnight guard with dual casting and then hit either gather the townsfolk or thatcher's revolt WITH a battle hymn. Midnight guard will untap separately for each human that hits and you can essentially keep gaining mana because you'll be copying both spells. Not sure if it's infinite, but if I can ramp it twice, that's a lot of mana open for a devil's play. Champions and cathar's was just a secondary and unfortunately, I only have the one Crusade so that's why there's only one. Elixir's aren't bad, but I think they are more random to control. Not the life gain part, just the shuffling the yard into deck. I wasn't intentionally asking to make it a aggro humans, but it might be my only choice. I will look into the cards you've suggested. And the Mage was just an extra. I saw him lying around and thought.... eh, just pop him in. lol

Anyway, thanks a ton for the advice. You guys rock. I like having a small group of advice givers on this forum. I also miss Tawnos but I'm sure he's busy. He probably deserves a rest.

Last edited by Hellnikko (2012-06-14 12:22:56)

If you decide to drop the Llanowar Elves and the Pilgrim for Abundant Growth I would STRONGLY recommend getting some Gladecover Scouts or Slippery Bogles in there, the initial size of the creature is irrelevant when you're using Conscription. I would also suggest Rancor, just cause if you go against a token deck you'll get chump blocked and the sac will be easily doable plus rancor is just a sweet card

Cranberries: Laboratory Maniac as a 1 of, just as insurance, your loss is now a win I run one in a Mono-blue card draw and it works fairly well

I still like the Acid-moss just cause it puts you 2 lands ahead of your opponent but it's not standard

Are you sure each human resolves separately? I was under the impression that instants resolve at the same time but it would make sense that each token would have to go on the stack individually, however the spell would've resolved before the tokens are put on the stack so you wouldn't be able to copy it if my understanding is correct, you could copy the Battle Hymn for each token but I don't think you could copy both spells. If you want a cheap infinite combo with midnight guard, you should look into Presence of Gond, not standard but instant unlimited elves and it's pauper legal If you want to gain life ditch the mage and put in Nearheath Pilgrims, you're only going to want to spend the mana on the Champions, might as well make it permanent(ish) other than that how are you planning to get up to 60 cards? I would suggest at least one more Cathars' Crusade along with something else to pump mana into, nothing comes to mind currently but a mana outlet aside from Devil's Play could be good, especially if they have a Witchbane Orb, then everything is sad

Good idea on the hexproof. That's why I added the Elgaud Shieldmate. But the Conscriptions already have trample with Annihilator. And Rancor will soon be standard again. Not that it matters in this deck, but meh.

Cool idea... except I traded you my only Maniac. If I get more, that's really not a bad idea. Just that it's very hard to control.

I've already got them on order. No reason I can't if I'm playing casually.

Everything I looked up says you can. This is just from google:http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=8343136
...But, you're right. I actually don't want to hit someone for infinite damage. It's cool to pull off once, but not sure I'd want to keep playing the combo after that. Of course, there's always a catch if they do pull off a witchbane orb. At any rate, I did decide to make this a real aggro deck rather than using this combo. This is one I would hate to explain before someone inevitably counters me. So I decided to follow TyWooOneTime's (That is a very hard name to spell. lol) advice on the cards he suggested to fill it out nicely. Should be fun!