Magic 2012 Core Set (Page 5 of 17)

eu zic vb despre wording.. daca ar fi fost "all (other)vapire creatures you control have bloodthirst" atunci ar merge faza cu ghastul (abilitatea s-ar triggerui  daca adversarul a primit damage si pune countere, daca nu nu )

702.51. Bloodthirst
702.51a Bloodthirst is a static ability. “Bloodthirst N” means “If an opponent was dealt damage this
turn, this permanent enters the battlefield with N +1/+1 counters on it.”
702.51b “Bloodthirst X” is a special form of bloodthirst. “Bloodthirst X” means “This permanent
enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters on it, where X is the total damage your opponents
have been dealt this turn.”
702.51c If an object has multiple instances of bloodthirst, each applies separately.

603.6e Some permanents have text that reads “[This permanent] enters the battlefield with . . . ,”
“As [this permanent] enters the battlefield . . . ,” “[This permanent] enters the battlefield as . . .
,” or “[This permanent] enters the battlefield tapped.” Such text is a static ability—not a
triggered ability—whose effect occurs as part of the event that puts the permanent onto the
battlefield.

Last edited by Scorpse (2011-06-08 10:22:47)

“If an opponent was dealt damage this
turn, this permanent enters the battlefield with N +1/+1 counters on it.”

Such text is a static ability—not a
triggered ability—whose effect occurs as part of the event that puts the permanent onto the
battlefield.

Da ..ar fi mers pe bloodghast, si nu ai timp sa raspunzi deoarece se intampla cand se pune pe battlefield ca parte a game actionului.

In acest caz lordul specifica timingul (when you cast), si vampirul primeste bloodthirst. Nu ar fi avut sens sa ii dai unui permanent bloodthirst avand in vedere ca aceasta este o abilitate care se intampal la un moment specific fara stack (eventul rezolvare a summon spell si a pune creature cardul pe masa -> EBT).
daca insa spunea ca toti vampirii primesc bloodthirst..atunci ar fi fost destul de rau.

Totusi bloodthirst este o abilitate rosie, nu neagra si asta ca se refera la damage si nu la loss of life. Daca era cu loss of life...kalastria era o zeita.

mai sunt si alte carti ca afecteaza carti care nu sunt in play. gen conspiracy

Daca nu ar scrie timingul.

lordu ar terbui sa aiba :

Al vampires have bloodthirst x.

Tocmai ca din cum functioneaza iti dai seama cum ar terbui sa scrie.
Cred ca am inteles tocmai de aceea am zis cum functioneaza. Nu mai citi printre randuri ca pierzi detalii

Last edited by Scorpse (2011-06-08 13:27:16)

Pare mie sau e un leak iarasi major? Si revin Titanii ...

Last edited by lvalics (2011-06-08 18:59:21)

Ai de capu meu ce scursura. Cu atat timp inainte.

Oricum cartile ma lasa rece, n-am avut nici o tresarire ca la seturile astealalate. Cartile sunt seci. 

Mda, probabil ceva de genul "v-ati distrat suficient jucatori de blue, inapoi la mill cu voi".

Sau poate asta o sa fie block-ul cu delve? Tombstalker & Logic Knot ftw...

Last edited by Trickster (2011-06-08 19:08:02)

Nu cred ca ar functiona. Bloodthirst schimba felul in care intra in joc, dupa ce a intrat in joc, nu mai are effect. Acesta este parerea mea.

Sa facem o analogie, daca ai o carte care scrie "All lands are Swamps" si altul care zice "Swamps enter the battlefield tapped", orice land va intra tapped? Nu cred, pentru ca ele devin Swamp abia dupa ce au intrat in joc, si nu sunt schmbate in momentul efectiv al intrarii. Iarasi, parerea mea.

tocmai de aceea am dat excerpt din rules :

“If an opponent was dealt damage this
turn, this permanent enters the battlefield with N +1/+1 counters on it.”

Such text is a static ability—not a
triggered ability—whose effect occurs as part of the event that puts the permanent onto the
battlefield.

pentru ca functioneaza.

Functioneaza in momentul cand jocul il pune pe battlefield (nu conteaza cum a ajuns :cast, put into play).

603.6b Continuous effects that modify characteristics of a permanent do so the moment the
permanent is on the battlefield (and not before then). The permanent is never on the battlefield
with its unmodified characteristics. Continuous effects don’t apply before the permanent is on
the battlefield, however (see rule 603.6e).
Example: If an effect reads “All lands are creatures” and a land card is played, the
effect makes the land card into a creature the moment it enters the battlefield, so it
would trigger abilities that trigger when a creature enters the battlefield. Conversely, if
an effect reads “All creatures lose all abilities” and a creature card with an enters-thebattlefield
triggered ability enters the battlefield, that effect will cause it to lose its
abilities the moment it enters the battlefield, so the enters-the-battlefield ability won’t
trigger.

Ca analogie ia Phyrexian metamorph. El copiaza ceva dar fiind pe stack nu ar functiona, dar cand intra in play intra in play precum o copie a cuiva si atunci primeste abilitatile si se si trigaruiesc abilitatile gen EBT.

In magic exista eventuri la care nu poti raspunde si le face jocul. Put into play este un astfel de event.
Bloodthirst functioneaza exact cand un permanent este pus pe masa, si modifica acest lucru. permanentul intra cu x contoare, si nu este trigered, doar static.

sper ca te-am lamurit.

Last edited by Scorpse (2011-06-10 06:28:37)

Swiftfoot Boots 2
Artifact - Equipment (U)
Equipped creature has hexproof and haste.
Equip 1

Manalith 3
Artifact (?)
Tap: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.

Stonehorn Dignitary 3w
Creature - Rhino Soldier (C)
When ~ enters the battlefield, target player skips his or her next combat step.
1/4

- Lord de iluzii, very neat.

Ceva carti din DotP 2012 (printre ele posibile carti m12 si reprint-uri):
http://www.examiner.com/magic-the-gathe … e=34271526