hi all,

i've built a u/b creature-less discard draw deck — http://deckbox.org/sets/474347

it's for casual play. it's legacy legal, but i'm open to vintage rules.

not trying to spend a lot, so no dual lands, moxen, or lotus.

the win condition is typically underworld dreams + howling mine + urza's guilt and / or wheel and deal

undermine and propaganda keep creatures at bay. i've sideboarded recoil in favor of undermine

teferi's puzzle box can create a win condition, and also mess with everyone.

lim-dul's vault might be an option, maybe a sideboard for card search.

maybe time spiral if i want to drop the $ for a play set and change my relatively low and stable mana curve.

and maybe lobotomy to ruin combos?

any and all feedback is appreciated.


thanks.

If you want things that aren't insanely overpriced then go pick up a playset of Daze.

It will save you vs. fast combo decks.

Is being good or being cheap more important to you? If you wanna stay cheap this is ok, just get a playset of Counterspell instead of whatever Blue/Black counter you're running.

If you want to make a good version of this, you would have to drop some serious dosh.

thanks.

daze looks great.

and it's relatively cheap money-wise. and mana-wise.

i'll likely pick up a play set and see how they do.

they'll at least be a great sideboard or "maybe"board option.

yeah i've got a playset of counterspells as well

what other cards are you thinking might be good, regardless of price?

ben_weis wrote:yeah i've got a playset of counterspells as well

what other cards are you thinking might be good, regardless of price?

The standard Force of Will, Jace the Mind Sculptor, Baleful Strix, Thoughtseize. Force for permission when tapped out/turn 1-3, Jace to take control of the board state while also fixing your hand, Baleful Strix to put a strong permissive blocker that cantrips on your side, Thoughtseize for a card that is extremely powerful against everyone.

This is to make it tourney style though. For a casual group your deck looks very interesting.

those are all great suggestions.

thoughtseize looks awesome.

force of will is legendary, and at some point
i'd like to grab a playset. or at least a couple...

what about a set of demonic tutors?

and time spiral? maybe against slow decks?

i also have a windfall even though it's banned in legacy.
it might be cool for casual. though, sometimes, i might get punched
square in the face for using it.

thanks again, this is great.

I have not played Time Spiral but, to me, it looks like you're trying to get a set condition on the field (make them draw and punish them for it). Time Spiral could be pushing away another win condition you could have (milling them out).

Proxy it and try it for yourself, that way you can test it out.

Another card you may want to look into is Standstill. It's a card you can play and immediately break to have your opponent drawing cards, or, in a pinch, you can freeze the board until you get some answers in your hand.