brightmatrix wrote:

Helios52, this is very well-written and thought-out. Thank you for taking the time and effort to collect and elaborate on these etiquette guidelines. I think they will prove exceptionally helpful to this community. You are fully awesome.

May I suggest some clearer language for the email option section?

Using the "Email" option on a person's profile can be used as a last option to get a trade going. This option sends a message to the email account associated with their profile, but it has no direct connection to Deckbox, so it will require the trader to manually start up a trade with you. You're more likely to get a response by sending a trade proposal to someone (with an introduction in chat panel) than sending them a email where the other person would have to do all the work. If you want something from them, make the effort to get the ball rolling.

HTH

Edited smile

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You best bet is to post here. Once you post there, the Deckbox team can message them and suspend their trading until they resolve the current issues. Granted the other person should have sent the cards by now, but I would wait atleast til tomorrow or Wednesday before I open something there, only cause if they went out of town or something for the weekend,they might now have been able to check Deckbox for a few days.

http://deckbox.org/forum/viewforum.php?id=56

I would suggest posting in here

http://deckbox.org/communities/reddit_mtg_trades

Its actually more active than this particular forum. Hope this helps!

To be honest, I think Gruul got better with Theros.

Neokarasu wrote:
Helios52 wrote:

Bump - added a portion about selling cards....

Add something about eBay sold listing when looking for an asking price.  They generally show how much people would actually pay for a card (i.e. fair market value). 

For example: JTMS
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R4 … &rt=nc

A cursory glance shows multiple listings ending at ~$100, a really good deal at $83, and a couple at $110.  The FTV version seems to be more in demand but they're both within $10 of each other.  So if I were to try selling a FTV Jace, I would set my price depending on how fast I want it gone.  If I want it gone ASAP, I would sell at $100.  If I don't mind waiting, I would set it at $110.

Added

Bump - added a portion about selling cards....

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Id be interested in the Foil Bob. Ill open a trade.

Hes good but I dont see him being worth 30ish a peice. Hes on the same level as Garruk Wildspeaker since their abilties are similiar.

He'll def see play in standard for sure in some Gruul Aggro build but since Domri is only around 23ish, I see him falling to around that range. The majority of Planeswalkers (LoTV, JTMS, Elspeth 1 excluded) dont really hold value that well.

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Paul_K wrote:

Just a note, as for the lands they will be facing stiff competition from the Mirrodin Beseiged block lands as well as from the X edition pain lands for modern play.  None will see any play in legacy.  All will see play in EDH decks.

Cards I believe will see play are:

Restoration Angel - Sees play in Modern in kiki-Jiki pod decks since it infinite combos with Kiki

Bonfire of the Damned - Really just too slow. EDH doesnt want it cause it only hit 1 player and Modern and Legacy have better uses of mana

Terminus - This sees play in Legacy Miracles and with things like Brainstorm and Top, this a really safe bet to hold value. Tucking in EDH is huge too so solid card there.

Entreat the Angels - Same as Bonfire. Just too slow and there are better options in EDH (Decree of Justice).

Falkenrath Aristocrat - People love tribal and this is one.

Geralf's Messenger - Really heavy on the mana cost and there really isnt a mono black control deck yet that would make this take off. Im not hating on this but I just dont see it any where.

Geist of Saint Traft - Boggle Auras in Modern and U/W in Legacy use him. Hes legendary to so EDH like his commander status. Really anything with Hexproof is a win.

Gravecrawler - zombie decks, mono black control, B/G speed (risk - 2/5 personal belief, otherwise 3/5) - Agreed

Liliana of the Veil - any deck with black (risk 1/5, already sees legacy & Modern play) If you can get her cheap you should

Huntmaster of the Fells - May see some play in Modern Jund Builds but not really anything else.


Other Cards
Innistrad-
Olivia Valderan - More than likely to see play in modern but good in EDH
Grim Grin, Corpse Born - Really good EDH General
Garruk Relentless - Planeswalkers are always casually popular.
Honorable Mention Non- Rare -Invisible Stalker - Really strong card and sees play in both modern and EDH.

Dark Ascension -
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben - Sees alot of play in Death&Taxes
Mikeus the Unhallowed - Good in EDH cause he Combos with Triskelion.
Sorin, Lord of Innistrad- See Garruk Relentless.
Honorable Mention Non-Rare - Lingering Souls. Sees play in Modern Soul Sisters and Death&Taxes.

Avacyn Restored
Avacyn, Angel of Hope - EDH POWERHOUSE. Play against her and tell me shes not annoying as hell.
Any of the Powder Puff Girl Angels (Gisela, Sigarda, Bruna) - Super strong and Great EDH Generals in their colors.
Griselbrand - Omini-Tell and Sneak and Show decks in Legacy love him.
Tamiyo - SEE Above
Vexing Devil- Has ALOT of Potential in Red Decks.
Craterhoof - Token Swarm in EDH is a thing. this guy wins that race.
Honorable Mention Non-Rare - Blood Artist - Used alot where Gravecrawler is used.

A couple of these already see some modern and legacy play but others Im not to fond of. Since you kinda hit major ones Ill just give my opinion on them.

BumpTop

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(12 replies, posted in Reddit MTG Trades)

It just got announced that its getting reprinted in Theros. It's price literally plummeted overnight.

The Judge wants Judge Foils...I find that kinda ironic lol

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Paul_K wrote:
AlmightySenator wrote:

Lots of people play FNM on Fridays, so that might be hard for some people. If you guys are from Buffalo and want to get more involved in the Magic community/find more players, you should check out The Slam Dunklers Podcast. They talk about Buffalo Magic and actually are working on an EDH project and looking for people with ideas.

Facebook.com/TheSlamDunklers

They are actually doing a live show at Dave and Adams for their FNM tonight. Free pack per player, free pizza, free raffles. You should come check it out

Sweet!  I wonder if Dave and Adams still has part of my collection that I sold to them almost a year ago.  One day, when the Sabres play on a Saturday i'll get out there for a FNM.

You might want to wait til the Sabres arent as painful to watch. You'll get more for you money when you drive up here smile

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AlmightySenator wrote:

Lots of people play FNM on Fridays, so that might be hard for some people. If you guys are from Buffalo and want to get more involved in the Magic community/find more players, you should check out The Slam Dunklers Podcast. They talk about Buffalo Magic and actually are working on an EDH project and looking for people with ideas.

Facebook.com/TheSlamDunklers

They are actually doing a live show at Dave and Adams for their FNM tonight. Free pack per player, free pizza, free raffles. You should come check it out

Were actually friends with Larry who moved to Chicago.

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My closest store to me is selling them for 229.99 and thats the cheapest of the 3. Im only missing 1 of 7 cards I orginially wanted from the whole set, so im glad I didnt waste the money...

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FTV 20 has been imported to Deckbox. Feel free to update your lists smile

Until this actually gets Stickyed here, Im going to keep bumping it.

I guess there are other ways of proving you are a trustworthy person other than this site. Facebook being one, where you can see a person is an established adult, family, kids etc...

In my case, a small trade wouldn't bother me, but someone reached out and wanted my 2 most expensive cards and I told him I wouldn't trade them out unless they sent first. So they sent it out first, and I sent it out afterwards. I guess there are always exceptions to the norm.

Im not completely disagreeing with you but even Facebook can be faked. Catfish anyone?

@ EVERYONE ELSE - I really appreciate all your advice and thoughts and wer're all in the same boat with this. For future suggestions that you think should be included, suggest what section number you think it should go under. It can be moved around later but just to get up there and it makes it easier for editing purposes.

morph66 wrote:

I don't understand the being forced to send first because someone has a bunch more trades than a person. I didn't even have a trade yet and the person I negotiated with sent first. We are doing an almost 100$ deal. someone can just fluff their trades by sending out a bunch of dollar cards back and forth until they get 30 feedback then decide they are going to badtrade a tarmogoyf and split. I realize this will stop alot of my deals but I won't ever send first. I know i'm trustworthy, other people not so much. 

This site needs to do a little better at letting you know if you are trading with an established adult or a 16 year old. You don't even know people's ages or anything. I find it weird that where you can trade 100$'s os dollars of cards you don't even have a person DOB.

Its not so much being forced as is something that someone who has less refs or is new should be prepared for. It doesnt always HAVE to apply but you shoudnt take it personally if asked and generally the people who have more successful trades, also have had equally unsuccessful ones so its a way of protecting themselves.

Its also gain trust and respect among other traders. Its more than just something to hold over peoples heads. It actual proof that you are trustworthy. Im not saying this as criticism but what weight does your word hold when you say your trustworthy as opposed to if I say the same? Im by no means trying berate or belittle you and you could very well be a trustworthy person. I merely saying there is actual proof and evidance to support my claim. Sure there is the risk you are taking by trading online and getting scammed but your less likely to get scammed by someone who has a good reputation than someone a with a few trades. This isnt just a unwritten rule on this site. You can to any other site (MOTL, MTGS, Youtube) and its pretty much the norm everyone accepts.

I dont think someones age really matters all that much. I know some pretty smart 16 year olds and have also dealt with some pretty dense adults so the door swings both ways.

Paul_K wrote:
Kammikaze wrote:

My one suggestion would be to add a segment explaining trading up and trading down and how 1 $50 card does not equal 10 $5 cards etc. If that's been covered somewhere else and I just missed it then ignore me.

I vehemently disagree with this suggestion.  I have and will trade a $50 card for 10 $5 cards.  I don't always do it but I also don't always not do it.  This is a trader's perogative.  I don't feel there should be behaviorial guidlines as to individual desires.  The end users may communicate in the chatbox if the trade is to their liking or not. 

In short:  This is part of communication not a rule.

I agree that it should be mentioned more than enforced.

marumari wrote:

I've honestly found the trading window (found on the homepage) to be next to useless.  It's either people who I've exhausted my trading possibilities with, or people who haven't logged in in over a year.

Similarly, viewing the card and going to Tradelist is also terrible: there are 64(!) pages of people with Cavern of Souls listed on their tradelist.  If I want to find one for trade, that's about 450(!) different profiles I need to open in new tabs to see if they've been active recently and they have an equitable trade.  The only time I find this particular method to be useful is when the card is recently released and so only active traders have put it on their tradelist.  If the card is two years old, then you'll spend forever trying to find a trader.

If you do want to do it this way, I've found that hovering over their icon for last activity time is usually slower for me than simply opening 21-28 tabs at once, and then ctrl-w'ing through them all at once.  You can find last logged in times much easier that way.  Ideally, it would sort by last login time instead of distance (seriously, it's one query change!  c'mon!), but we have to deal with what we have to deal with.


How do I find active traders to trade with?  I open up the finished trades of active traders and see who they have been trading with and open up all those users.  At least then you know you're only looking at the trade binders of people who are actually interested in trading.


BAH HA! Now your on to something. I do that as well but I didnt think to add it. Consider your advice included smile

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UnstableFlux wrote:

You should look at the trading for dummies thread that just poped-up if you haven't read it smile

I literally posted that in response to this thread XD

@Nighthawk- I will add something to mention that.

@PhyrexianLibrarian - I plan on elborating alittle more on that section. At the time I just wanted to get the majority of my ideas down and then go back and update.

@Kammikaze - I will make a mention to that as well.

AsymptomaticPyrexia wrote:

Helios52, would you mind adding a link to Deckbox's Guidelines in your post? http://deckbox.org/help/trade_guidelines

Thank you!

Edited smile Ill try and keep both posts updated as I change them.

Thanks for the STICKY Status!

AsymptomaticPyrexia wrote:

Thank you for posting this, Helios52. This is a very helpful guide, especially for new traders. Until the new trade interface gets implemented, I request to have this stickied. Perhaps this should also be posted in Trading Post - I can sticky it there.

Ive posted in the Deckbox Trading Post Forum as well. Ill go through and fix my grammar when I get the chance as well.