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It is in no way bad behavior. Trades are asynchronous. A commitment should be made only if BOTH parties have agreed it is acceptable. What you are suggesting is to not have formal proposals at all, simply commitments. This would make the first person to commit have far less information available than the second since they don't know at all if the terms are acceptable.
Heck if I'm sitting next to you in an lgs and I propose a trade to you and you say nothing or say you can't give me an answer yet...It is not bad behavior if I don't hold the card for you indefinitely or don't call you before I trade it elsewhere.
In most formal exchanges in life you have a proposal followed by a contract. The contract is not binding until both parties agree and sign, not just the acceptor. The only proposals that are ever binding have automatic time expiration, if deckbox wants to add that fine, but if proposals remain open-ended having them binding is silly.
Kammikaze wrote:Perhaps the only step that can be cut is the separate Accept/Confirm steps and leave the Proposal/Confirm steps separate.
I think this would be fine...it would probably help too to have a visual indicator (like we do for unread messages) for trades that are awaiting address confirmation. Right now if I propose and my partner accepts/confirms but chooses not to type anything in chat, there is no indicator from my deckbox home page that something is awaiting my attention somewhere...I have to rely on having noticed the email or open up the trade page to check.
d72B wrote:bactgudz wrote:I wouldn't like this at all...for one thing, there are much larger lags between proposal and acceptance than acceptance and confirming addresses, thus we would be committing our cards to the void for a longer period of time...The second is that we'd be committing our cards for trade without knowing whether or not our trade partner is satisfied with the deal yet. If the user accepts out of the blue, you'd be committed immediately...as the system works now that is not the case, you don't officially commit cards to the deal per the terms until the confirm address stage which is AFTER both parties have formally notified each other in the system that they are happy with the deal.
No... Cards are removed from your inventory and wishlist on Acceptance, not on Confirming Address. If Proposal/Acceptance doesn't indicate that both parties are happy then I don't know what would!
When proposing you don't know if they will accept yet, I don't understand why this would seem unclear to you. I should not be committed to a trade simply by proposing it...especially if it can remain unanswered for days.
Cards are removed on acceptance, but you still have the right to cancel until confirm addresses (read the terms of service)...if you do cancel the auto-wishlist.inventory removal is reversed.
In the terms of service, the confirmation of addresses is clearly stated to be the commitment of both parties to the deal, and for good reason....if you want to confirm addresses earlier, you need to replace it with another step "commit
after propose/accept which defeats the purpose. Combining Accept and Confim would be fine, but not propose and confirm.
sebi wrote:True, I like this alot.
How about we just put the address selector there when the trade is editable, and you have to select your address before proposing, the other party has to select the address before accepting?
I wouldn't like this at all...for one thing, there are much larger lags between proposal and acceptance than acceptance and confirming addresses, thus we would be committing our cards to the void for a longer period of time...The second is that we'd be committing our cards for trade without knowing whether or not our trade partner is satisfied with the deal yet. If the user accepts out of the blue, you'd be committed immediately...as the system works now that is not the case, you don't officially commit cards to the deal per the terms until the confirm address stage which is AFTER both parties have formally notified each other in the system that they are happy with the deal.
Right now, if I propose a trade to a guy on Thursday and Friday night rolls around and I haven't heard anything; I am free to trade the card away at fnm and cancel in the morning. Under the proposed plan, I either have to log on to deckbox to cancel my proposal before trading it at fnm or risk that my partner doesn't accept until next time I check deckbox....that is a huge functional change in how many people trade on this platform.
wonderdog79 wrote:gmabber wrote:wonderdog79 wrote:ya so i am going to be that guy. any word on the android version?
Nope, sorry. I had plans to make one, but since Apple introduced a new programming language, instead of attempting an Android version (and learning JAVA), I have to learn Swift.
I don't want to get in a debate about iphone vs android but my question to all businesses remains, Why do you favor iphones vs android? it seems that most companies/businesses choose to create an iphone app before an android app. why? according to many articles (this one for instance http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-v … re-2014-5) android has close to an 80% or higher market share vs iphone's 15-18%. if only for basic math in sales.
i am going to use small numbers to make my point but they will work for larger numbers too. if we have 1000 smart phone users there are 800 android and 150 iphone. at $1 per app buy, you make $800 off android and $150 off iphone. you would have to charge $5.3 for iphone just to make the amount for a $1 app for android.
It also seems to reason that learning android os which will probably always be based in java is better than learning what ever iphone changes to when they feel the need to.
just my 2c
i must say though that i love your site!
Because whereas android has a larger global market share (dominating asia); apple has a much larger share in the us and europe...users from these regions spend much more money on apps.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tonybradley … the-money/
Out of those 800 android users in your example, only 3-4 may buy your app whereas 6-8 of the 150 iphone users would. and those 6-8 would make many more in-app purchases.
foil lorwyn thoughtseize @10k
Strict matching is not working for me today when viewing others' profiles...it always shows relaxed results regardless of options selected. It was working correctly last week.
sebi wrote:We do not use, or have any affiliation with TCGPlayer card values. We calculate a market price based on prices of sellers on our website and from Amazon.
Which cards are most problematic from the list you mention? I can take a look if there are some pricing errors.
It seems like you must be using some data that is derivative of tcgplayer though...if you look at the price history of a card like foil Lore Seeker, it spiked up to multiple thousands here when somebody listed it for 10k on tcgplayer as a joke.
100002924569461 wrote:How are the card values listed in the trade tool determined?
How often are they updated?
Most players consider the TCG price to be the defacto market value, and for mid to high value cards the prices DeckBox lists on trades is usually close enough.
However, for lower value cards most cards end up listing way higher than they should.
This is causing friction on a trade I am in the middle of right now.
On my side of the trade, the person I'm trading with is asking for various foils and promo cards I have.
And there, the DeckBox value is only about $3 over the TCG value, in total. (That part's fine.)
His side of the trade is a pile of Theros block uncommons and a few bulk rares, that he's trying to get rid of, and I need to complete my collection. (On the surface, should be a win-win.)
However, despite both sides of the trade showing as roughly equal, the TCG value of his side of the trade is short by $9 ($12 lower than the DeckBox value).
As an exercise, put his side into your cart on tcgplayer and use the cart optimizer to see what the actual shipped price for the lot would be across the optimal number of vendors (and then repeat for your side)...many times prices on low value cards are artificially low on tcgplayer because they are loss leaders and don't account for shipping. The administrative cost in cataloging, grading, pulling an order etc only is reflected if you look at an order involving the cards.
Foil 9th Adarkar Wastes is listed over $6,700. The entire coldsnap set is still missing foil prices (foils show the non-foil price) see snow-covered island, etc.
elpablo wrote:Maybe this has been addressed idk... i looked and didn't see anything, but i don't want to dig all day.
why aren't prices totally properly?
someone just offered me a trade... urborg and thoughseize for mutavault nightmare and tidebinder.
https://deckbox.org/trades/231070?s=7444
the prices for the individual cards are okay. but the totals are way off...
I think it is because the edition is unmarked for urborg...it displays the m15 price but uses the planar chaos price in a trade
KazeCole wrote:Magic the gathering cards with off prices.
- Foil Wargate is $5.00 not $500.
- Foil Kiki-Jiki the mirror breaker is $90 not $50.
You're correct on wargate, but $50 is way closer to the value for foil kiki (champions) than $90 given ebay, tcgplayer, and other sources
It would be helpful to list user's region/state/provinces in their profiles rather than just city/town since there are many cities with the same name but very far apart.
Foil Magus of the Moon is way off (>$2k) Coldsnap still doesn't have foil prices for the entire set
scshunt wrote:Richard Garfield, Ph.D. is labeled as having only one printing in Unhinged. This is technically true because of the foil edition, but the foil edition has no price attached. It's worth about $100.
Yeah, both Coldsnap and Unhinged are missing foil prices.
Why is Unlimited Black Lotus worth more than Beta on Deckbox.
Coldsnap foil prices are missing...at least for snow-covered island, counterbalance, and a few others...I suspect the whole set.
Kammikaze wrote:It seems pretty obvious to me that by clicking on "Pay with Paypal" that this is when you're committing to purchase the cards. You've selected your address, selected a shipping option, and can see the total amount for the order before and after shipping. What more are you expecting?
It is true that for almost every online merchant and fixed price marketplace that takes paypal that the order is not finalized until you complete paypal, not when you start paypal.
I think an awesome statistic to see would be "commander staples"...the most played cards (other than basic land) in commander decks on deckbox
Kammikaze wrote:bactgudz wrote:sebi wrote:My question is about the promo sets mostly. Out of the other ones, I think only the From The Vault, Premium Deck Series and Commander's Arsenal are foil-only. Right?
I think all of the promo sets you just added as well as all of the dual decks and ftvs have the property that for each card there is only a foil or non-foil version...sometimes it may be different for different cards, like deckmasters and dual decks have a couple of cards foil and most non-foil, but all of the cards in those sets have one version. Similarly for game day cards, some are foil some are non foil, but there is only 1 version for each card name.
Another way to look at it is that the only sets that have both non-foil and foil versions of a given card are core and expert set releases post 7th edition as well as modern masters
Sebi knows that some cards were printed only in foil and some were printed only non-foil. He was asking if anyone knew of an online database somewhere that he could just pull that information from to make it a bit faster, rather than setting the properties of each printing individually.
I thought he was asking so he cold make the pricing info consistent and correct. If so, then my answer should be sufficient...segregate the price data you have for foil and non-foil for expert and core sets post 7th+modern masters; and aggregate the data for all other editions, showing that price whether or not the foil tag is selected.
The key is, there is only ONE price for all those other editions, it doesn't matter that it's foil or non foil, that price should be used regardless of what the user tags it as since it is the only one that exists.
sebi wrote:My question is about the promo sets mostly. Out of the other ones, I think only the From The Vault, Premium Deck Series and Commander's Arsenal are foil-only. Right?
I think all of the promo sets you just added as well as all of the dual decks and ftvs have the property that for each card there is only a foil or non-foil version...sometimes it may be different for different cards, like deckmasters and dual decks have a couple of cards foil and most non-foil, but all of the cards in those sets have one version. Similarly for game day cards, some are foil some are non foil, but there is only 1 version for each card name.
Another way to look at it is that the only sets that have both non-foil and foil versions of a given card are core and expert set releases post 7th edition as well as modern masters
Something that I think could really set deckbox apart from other marketplace sites is to allow users to set bid prices for cards in specific sets and conditions. Sellers could browse bid prices and create an order to sell to a specific user for their bid prices, the user then has some time window (say 24-48 hrs) to accept the order and pay for the card(s); essentially allowing everyone to have their own streamlined buylist. Not only does this open up new market opportunities, but could also allow for deckbox to have richer pricing data. You would essentially be opening up a buylist market.
Users already pay subscription fees to sites like quiet speculation just to get a consolidated view of several buylists, this could dwarf that type of service in terms of scope.
Download a csv of your collection, sort by the promo entry (if you had it marked) or edition (if you left it blank)
Ha, I love that I can add 1996 World Champion to my collection
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