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elpablo wrote:The deckbox moderators shouldn't be in the business of policing the community. It creates a liability for them.
Pretty much this. Everyone approaches issues like this from the perspective of "well, I would never scam anyone, but what about him?" while not realizing the irony of everyone else saying the exact same thing. We're already sticking expensive cardboard into envelopes and mailing them around the world, there has to be at least some level of trust or the whole system falls apart.
jassi007 wrote:PhyrexianLibrarian wrote:jassi007 wrote:You might think so, but what happens when two parties open up a dispute for the issue of how to handle a fake card? So lets say I was sent a fake card, and I say based on x, y, and z it looks fake. The sender responds with "nope its real send it back if you want and we'll undo the trade" Then what?
In that situation, I would send back the fake card and the trade is undone. We're both out postage, but in my eyes that's no different than if I received any other card that wasn't as described (condition, language, set, etc.). In a sense, a card being "real" is just another property of the card itself.
If the sender says "nope it's real and you're stuck with it now", I'd take my case to the BTR forum along with my evidence.
Lets say as a recipient my concern was that this card would be passed along to another less vigilant member of the community and so I open a BTR because I don't think they should get the card back just to send it to another person? If I just give them the card back, then someone else will get a fake card! So I as the recipient open the BTR because the card is fake! How should the deckbox team handle that?
The problem is that you're implicitly assuming that the seller knows the card is fake and is trying to scam people. What if the person doesn't know it's a fake? Or worse, what if the card is real but the receiver doesn't know how to properly judge older cards? I received a Karakas in a trade that I was convinced was fake until people told me that the printing pattern I saw on the card was actually a sign that the card was real, not vice versa.
I think opening a BTR or forum post to alert people of a potential fake is totally justified. If the mods see a post about John Smith trading a fake mox, and then a month later see a second post about the same John Smith and the same fake mox, then it's suddenly a lot more clear that some action can be taken.
jassi007 wrote:PhyrexianLibrarian wrote:I don't think this is an issue that Deckbox needs to have an official policy for. Certainly, sending a fake card doesn't count as fulfilling part of a trade, and the rules already cover that. I think the burden of fake vs. real proof has to be on whoever is in physical possession of the card when the issue is raised. If the receiver thinks he got a fake card, he should present that evidence as part of the inevitable BTR, and "I know a guy who knows a lot about fakes and he says it's fake" should not count as proof.
You might think so, but what happens when two parties open up a dispute for the issue of how to handle a fake card? So lets say I was sent a fake card, and I say based on x, y, and z it looks fake. The sender responds with "nope its real send it back if you want and we'll undo the trade" Then what?
In that situation, I would send back the fake card and the trade is undone. We're both out postage, but in my eyes that's no different than if I received any other card that wasn't as described (condition, language, set, etc.). In a sense, a card being "real" is just another property of the card itself.
If the sender says "nope it's real and you're stuck with it now", I'd take my case to the BTR forum along with my evidence.
I don't think this is an issue that Deckbox needs to have an official policy for. Certainly, sending a fake card doesn't count as fulfilling part of a trade, and the rules already cover that. I think the burden of fake vs. real proof has to be on whoever is in physical possession of the card when the issue is raised. If the receiver thinks he got a fake card, he should present that evidence as part of the inevitable BTR, and "I know a guy who knows a lot about fakes and he says it's fake" should not count as proof.
I'm looking to pick up 3x Path to Exile (WPN promo version) and 3x Tectonic Edge (FNM promo version). Anyone who has one, please get in touch with me, I'll trade or even buy if the price is right.
UnstableFlux wrote:shifty4690 wrote:Preorder prices can be higher or lower than actual value, but planeswalkers seem to consistently priced higher during presale during the past few sets.
Because nobody wants to sell the next JTMS for $15 again >_>
Yeah pretty much. Look at it this way: for the same price right now, you can get either a playset of Xenagos, or a playset of Liliana of the Veil. I know which one I'd rather have.
Just opened up a trade with you.
401 Games recently re-opened at a new location (with air conditioning, finally!) and is probably your best bet for Magic in the downtown core now. If you're staying at Church & Wellesley, you'll be able to walk there.
Hairy Tarantula North is where all the competitive grinders go, but it's up in North York and the downtown location is really cramped and mostly focused on manga and anime sales.
Dueling Grounds is further west and really overpriced, I'd avoid it.
I've got a Future Sight Goyf that I'd trade for that deal, if you're interested
I'm picking up a Tropical Island tomorrow that I'd love to turn into a Volcanic Island!
I can ship you a Bayou for fetches, started a trade.
As you can see, MTG players have no sense of humour, and it wouldn't be the dumbest thing our community has done. 
Offer stands.
Paying $10 for your Thoughtseizes. Will take as many as you're willing to ship me.
Reddit has literally ruined this site.
billbollow wrote:PhyrexianLibrarian wrote:Helios52 wrote:- The unwritten rule is generally the person with the lower References or is new to the site sends first...
I think this should be pointed out and highlighted as something that both parties should agree on before a trade is accepted. The Bad Trade forum is littered with cases where one person thought they were sending at the same time, the other person didn't, and everyone ended up angry.
I just checked although the trading rules don't specifically say so, the trading guidelines do: whoever has lower feedback sends first in the absence of an agreement to the contrary. I agree, though, that it never hurts to spell out exactly what one's expectations are.
I'm in the middle of a trade negotiation right now. I have 260 positive trades, he has 26, and he does not want to send first.
This comes up all the time; everyone wants to make sure that their trade partner isn't going to rip them off, but no one wants to be treated as if they may rip someone off, so you get these weird Mexican standoffs where no one trusts each other.
Helios52 wrote:- The unwritten rule is generally the person with the lower References or is new to the site sends first...
I think this should be pointed out and highlighted as something that both parties should agree on before a trade is accepted. The Bad Trade forum is littered with cases where one person thought they were sending at the same time, the other person didn't, and everyone ended up angry.
Links below, looking for 1x Tundra and 2x Volcanic Island in as nice condition as possible.
Also lots of other stuff on my lists, but these are the big ones.
I have a few I can probably part with for fetches, let me get my list in order.
Thoughtseizes sold!
Just started a trade about a few things.
I'm seeing the current median at 61.89, and that doesn't include free shipping. Considering how many people price their cards by SCG and they're sold out at $75, I think this is still a steal.
$55 each or $160 for all three, free shipping within North America. Only looking for Paypal or trades for duals.
$65 each or $180 for all three, free shipping within North America. Only looking for Paypal or trades for duals.
Sorry to lose you, you've been a good trader. Started up a trade for a few things.
Here we go again!
http://deckbox.org/sets/47425?s=j&o=d
We're down to only $700 for the entire set (plus shipping, since it's a lot), but I'm more than happy to sell singles. I want all this stuff gone so I can get on with my life! 
- Free shipping within North America (non-tracked since it's from Canada)
- Cash accepted via Paypal or in the form of MTGO tix!
- Almost 250 successfully completed trades
- If you have a big-ticket item you'd like to trade for lots of smaller stuff, you are my ideal customer and I'm happy to trade you lots of value for it.
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