Online Trading for Dummies - Proper Trade Etiquette (Page 2 of 3)

I don't understand the being forced to send first because someone has a bunch more trades than a person. I didn't even have a trade yet and the person I negotiated with sent first. We are doing an almost 100$ deal. someone can just fluff their trades by sending out a bunch of dollar cards back and forth until they get 30 feedback then decide they are going to badtrade a tarmogoyf and split. I realize this will stop alot of my deals but I won't ever send first. I know i'm trustworthy, other people not so much. 

This site needs to do a little better at letting you know if you are trading with an established adult or a 16 year old. You don't even know people's ages or anything. I find it weird that where you can trade 100$'s os dollars of cards you don't even have a person DOB.

Coming from having done online trading for a good duration of time with D&D Minis over at maxminis (not even sure if it survived after the database issue or not, but whatever), I feel that sending first is a good way to go about things.

Why?

Because people who are "unestablished" are more likely to cause issues or result in a bad trade, especially when they can just claim they're trading something but do not actually have it.

I have never had a bad trade there, and so far things are going well here. If you communicate well, one should not feel insulted just because they're asked to send first when someone has several trades.

In some instances, people have just sent to me even though I have said I could not or will not send until a certain date. Were they worried? Probably a bit, but it's nice to know that people will send.

I, like others on here I'm sure, want to get my cards as fast as possible since I'm trading to be able to get cards I want to use immediately (or sometimes for other trades). If I send and they send same day, then we both get our cards faster and are happier.

End result, if asked to send first, it's more a security thing--and could still result in a bad trade, but it is less likely. Do not feel insulted. If you don't want to send first, then don't do the trade; no one is forcing you. Just communicate and everything will flow nicer for yourself and the people you trade with.

Its not so much being forced as is something that someone who has less refs or is new should be prepared for. It doesnt always HAVE to apply but you shoudnt take it personally if asked and generally the people who have more successful trades, also have had equally unsuccessful ones so its a way of protecting themselves.

Its also gain trust and respect among other traders. Its more than just something to hold over peoples heads. It actual proof that you are trustworthy. Im not saying this as criticism but what weight does your word hold when you say your trustworthy as opposed to if I say the same? Im by no means trying berate or belittle you and you could very well be a trustworthy person. I merely saying there is actual proof and evidance to support my claim. Sure there is the risk you are taking by trading online and getting scammed but your less likely to get scammed by someone who has a good reputation than someone a with a few trades. This isnt just a unwritten rule on this site. You can to any other site (MOTL, MTGS, Youtube) and its pretty much the norm everyone accepts.

I dont think someones age really matters all that much. I know some pretty smart 16 year olds and have also dealt with some pretty dense adults so the door swings both ways.

Last edited by Helios52 (2013-08-29 22:35:10)

I guess there are other ways of proving you are a trustworthy person other than this site. Facebook being one, where you can see a person is an established adult, family, kids etc...

In my case, a small trade wouldn't bother me, but someone reached out and wanted my 2 most expensive cards and I told him I wouldn't trade them out unless they sent first. So they sent it out first, and I sent it out afterwards. I guess there are always exceptions to the norm.

On sending first - I almost make everyone send first with me.  I've completed trades of greater than $700 where people have sent first to me since they have significantly lower rep.  I think my new baseline is about 150 trades completed or previously have traded with me before for a simulsend.  But, hey, each people can set their own rules.  Those are just mine.  I have never had problems and you can ask anyone who has traded with me, the turnaround from me is fast.  Typically if someone isn't willing to at least discuss sending first, I won't even trade with them because that seems off.  Once again, just my opinion.

In fact, recent rep comment: "Only took one week from when i sent my cards to when i got the cards from him. Very quick." from Mazinem.

On cross-format&trading down - I don't always accept trades cross-formats, but sometimes I do.  I think it depends how badly I need the card one way or the other.  Same goes for trading down, sometimes I'm willing to trade down.  Sometimes I ask for extra value in a trade down, which I also think is fair. 

Also marumari is right, the "new" features were set to debut in February/March this year.  So much for that.

I don't want facebook profiles to be put on here aswell. I just said that I used that with a poster in private to establish a connection for a trade. I wouldn't put it on here.  I have no idea why someone would be opposed to putting their age other then being embarrassed by it though. Almost every single message board forum lets you put in your DOB, it's not mandatory but it's an option. Personally i believe people who don't want to admit their age are usually teens/children who want to seem older. Or older ladies who don't want you to know they are old...

Until this actually gets Stickyed here, Im going to keep bumping it.

THIS. THIS. A THOUSAND FRIGGIN TIMES THIS.

I've started purposefully ignoring trades, simply because people don't say anything in them.  I get the notifications, I even have a tab constantly open in my browser to check for new proposals... but I refuse to work with anyone who doesn't say anything, or won't say anything, even after my attempts to communicate.  It feels like they're not really interested in the trade at all, and it feels disrespectful most of all.

Add something about eBay sold listing when looking for an asking price.  They generally show how much people would actually pay for a card (i.e. fair market value). 

For example: JTMS
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R4 … &rt=nc

A cursory glance shows multiple listings ending at ~$100, a really good deal at $83, and a couple at $110.  The FTV version seems to be more in demand but they're both within $10 of each other.  So if I were to try selling a FTV Jace, I would set my price depending on how fast I want it gone.  If I want it gone ASAP, I would sell at $100.  If I don't mind waiting, I would set it at $110.

I will get this STICKIED IF ITS THE LAST THING I DO!

I didnt spend hour at work writing this for nothing!!

Mods are now able to moderate the Reddit forum since there seems to be no active Community Admins here. So, I can sticky this post now!

HA SUCCESS!!

Thank you !

I will do my best to keep this up to date with the new update as well XD

Last edited by Helios52 (2013-09-12 13:51:10)