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Perhaps not the best example, though I know Walmart would sue, and I think Amazon might eventually. I just think it'll take so long before they figure it out that Deckbox will have already moved on.

Bethesda, on the other hand, would have already figured it out and initiated proceedings. Their legal department should be fired, lock stock and barrel.

It isn't just technology. It is technology, government, social policies, and a host of other things. Parents are too lax, trying to give their children everything they possibly can. Government programs hand out money and food stamps to people who don't deserve them. Companies can be bullied into paying disabilities they shouldn't have to. Credit cards, banks, and so many others foster a, "Reward now, pay someday" attitude. Frivolous lawsuits actually work. Schools can't discipline children. My generation (I'm 27), and even more so the rising generation, expect everything to be handed to us, and we throw temper tantrums when it isn't.

Entitlement and instant gratification are to blame, and technology is only one reason why those twin diseases exist. My generation, and the generation coming after us, could do more damage to the country (and the world) as a result of prosperity than anybody ever did as a result of depressions and recessions.

But that is a "little" off topic.

My original intent was not to convince you Deckbox is a perfect inventory management system. Merely that it can be used as one. Your thoughts are correct, but they do not reflect on Deckbox's capabilities so much as your refusal to adapt to its shortcomings. Yes, it is not perfect, yes, an IMS developed by a major company would have more features. That isn't the point.

If you have a system that works, use it. My suggestions were logical ways you can use Deckbox without adding extra things and still keep track of everything. Of course you would have to adapt what you do to match Deckbox; this is required for any inventory system that isn't customized for each user/company.

Perhaps instead of saying you won't use proxies, you should put them in the ten different trade binders that all have the same cards in them. Put the actual cards in one place, the proxies in the binders, and then when somebody asks, tell them you do have the actual cards but for organization keep them in one spot. Throw away the proxy as the actual card exchanges hands.

I feel like we are beginning to argue and we probably left beyond the topic of this thread awhile ago. It is only fair for you to respond once more here, but after that we should move to messages (if we feel it necessary to continue at all).

First, let me say, Ripptor, that the idea of putting a version to what is in a deck would be nice. That neatly solves (or mostly solves) what I thought of with a text field, at least for decks. But unless you are making a "deck" for every storage box, with the thousands of cards in any one box, it won't solve the problem you presented.

...Or you could simply remove from your decks the items you are selling and label your boxes. If you are selling a Wrath of God, that would mean you aren't using it, so you don't need to check your decks. The version/promo/foil/whatever wouldn't matter, since you picked one to sell and that one would be in one of two locations: a box labeled "White Rares," or a binder labeled "White Trades" or whatever. Splitting things into multiple places is an inherently bad inventory practice, for the exact reason you explained- it adds complexity.

Until a version option is added to the deck lists, you could proxy something if you want to run it until trading/selling it. If you are going somewhere that discourages proxies, you could just remember that your promo Wrath of God is in that deck. This isn't a problem most users are going to have.

When the computer says there are 11 items on the shelf, the back room has 5, 3 are in the mail and 1 is out for RMA, and you count the items but get 18, you know something is wrong and no database or spreadsheet can tell you where the missing items are.

This is old, but it has also been stickied, so I wanted to add my two cents for whoever may be looking at this later on.

EDH is highly dependent on the group you play with. If you are playing 1v1 games, expect fast games with a lower mana curve. If you are playing multiplayer (which I think is where the format shines), expect longer games with a higher mana curve. As I only play multiplayer, the rest of this is directed at that subsection of EDH.

You will need removal to handle the amazing cards that come out. Board wipes can be useful, particularly if you can work them into a one-way wipe.

Exiling is better than destroy effects, as there are many indestructible permanents out there that work fabulously in EDH.

Split second cards are better in EDH than usual. You never know how the politics of a multiplayer game will go, and invariably somebody has an instant or an ability that messes with your chances to do something.

Cards that take care of artifacts and enchantments should probably be in every EDH deck you make. There are many of these out there that drastically change the board state, and if you can't remove them, you get hosed- often in amusingly unpredictable ways, but still hosed.

As with all formats, adapt your strategies to the group you play with. Mine has a lot of board wipes, so running a creature deck isn't a great move unless those creatures can survive or do damage before getting wiped out. Your group may or may not run a lot of board wipes, or counter spells, or whatever else may ruin your day.

Tracking the physical location of an item is very difficult to do. I don't fault Deckbox for not having this feature (although it does tell you which deck(s) they are in, assuming you keep your decks up-to-date). Sure, Deckbox could have a text field and for users to manually type in the location of a card, but that's a pretty slow means of cataloging thousands of individual cards, especially if the location changes. There could be a bulk editing function for this, but it would still be clunky and couldn't possibly help if you misplace something.

If you want your stuff organized, organize it. It isn't that hard to alphabetize and store them in labeled boxes/binders. If your collection is large it will take some serious time, but there is no way Deckbox can change that. Watch TV or listen to an audiobook while you sort. For trade binders, make a "deck" and label it as the trade binder in question (Big Green Hardcase, or whatever). Problem solved.

I hadn't thought of this, probably since it hasn't been an issue for me. Small town and local trades; if I have to say "no" to somebody every couple months, who cares? But I suppose this would be a problem if it was once a day.

Still, I find the ability useful. I wonder if there is a way to preserve that ability and alleviate the annoyances that apparently derive from it... but I can't think of a workable solution.

As Helios said. It is the ability to have your entire inventory tracked in one location. I used to track it on paper (only for the most important cards), then it went to spreadsheets. Deckbox is much more convenient as an inventory management system. It just makes sense to sell from the place that already has all your cards listed.

It also gives people a chance to see what you have that isn't on your sell list. I can't even guess at how many times I've looked around my small town for a card and not found it on a tradelist, but found it in an inventory. Sometimes what you aren't willing to sell/trade today, you can be convinced to sell or trade tomorrow (maybe for a higher price than you anticipated). On any other site I know of, if you don't list it, I won't know you have it.

Speaking of, hey Sebi. Is there a way to block contact from other users? For instance, if somebody is bugging me, or I have a sale go bad with someone, can I block them and ensure they can't buy from me again (or contact me in any way)? I'm not talking about blocking feedback, just blocking contact not related to previous sales/trades.

A correction. I said you only have 4 Mountains; Sacred Foundry counts for Chained to the Rocks, so you actually have 8. Doesn't change your red mana base, but probably enough Mountains for Chained to the Rocks to have 4 copies in the deck.

"I'm playing a competitive game and trying to win, and you are playing the same game, so you are also playing a competitive game and trying to win." Can you see the fallacy here? Please don't press your personality, likes, and dislikes on me.

For me, the joy of Magic is not in winning. Of course I enjoy winning. But the real joy, for me, is in creating. I build my own deck, play it myself, and I improvise with it in-game. I don't create things in a vacuum, and of course I see what other people are doing to get ideas. But at the end of the day, the deck is something I put together, and it is this process of creation from which I derive my enjoyment. Just like all the musicians out there playing music not because it pays the best, or because they are the best, but simply because they like doing it.

Such joy is what makes Minecraft a great game. The only thing Minecraft does well is allow players to create. There are better survival games, better action games, better crafting games, better looking games, even games that run smoother. Minecraft players enjoy creating something, and that is why they play Minecraft.

Not everyone enjoys creating things, or even creating things in the same way. Just because you enjoy the competition and winning for their own sakes doesn't mean I do, and just because I enjoy the creation doesn't mean you do.

Now let's set aside the ridiculousness and not turn this into a flaming thread. You have an argument with me, send me an email and bash against me all you want. Let this thread be about helping Dorynnos with his deck, regardless of the direction he chooses to take it.