How much for foil penis...er Armada Wurm? My math was not my strong suit....

502

(23 replies, posted in Reddit MTG Trades)

Ive slowly buying up all the Black Ultra Pro Matted sleeves to use for my Cube and EDH decks. While not all foils look good in them because of the "foggy" case, they have so far been the most durable and smoothest sleeves Ive used. I think Ive maybe broken like 5-6 out of some 700 sleeves I use pretty heavily. They also dont slide around alot when shuffling when they are newly sleeved as well. So far the only complaint I have is that sometimes the whole pack of sleeves are cut wider even tho they are the exact same and appropriately marked.

Sure ill take a shot at it. smile

Sebi,

You and the other members of the Deckbox team have done a great job restructuring the trading practices and guidelines to make it easier and safer to resolve disputes.

My main point regarding all of this is that people need to understand that this model of trading online is how it works any where else you might try and trade, be MTGSalvation or MOTL. These are the sites that are considered to be stable and reliable places to discuss trades and complete deals. Its pretty much been proven that how the system was before wasnt really working because there really was no structure in how to handle a dispute. As you said it was very "behind the scenes", with emails that no one aside from the affected parties and Mods would see. So people would be willing trading with people that were actually scamming others.

There are couple suggestions that I would make that I know exist else where to help in the processes.

1. I dont know if its actually possible to actually block a person's trading ability, but thats something that should be done. If you are the person who has OPEN BTR against you, you shouldnt be able to make a trade at all, almost locking their profile. Im not sure if it was just something missed in the case that started this discussion but ieatburritos didnt have any notice on their profile and even attempted to setup a new deal for a new one. 

2. Restrict the BTR to just those who are involved in it directly ie. The accused, accuser and a mod. Thats it. Sure people are allowed their opinions but when people start posting in a BTR that they have never traded with either party involved or have their own issue, it only starts to make a problem bigger and clouding judgement on those who should be making the decisions. I know I myself am guilty of doing this but it was more to make a point in general than to share my opinion about the open case. Perhaps it would be a good idea to include a poll in some cases where people can anonymously vote on a possible verdict if people want to have a the judge and jury type scenario but that might only serve to lengthen the process of closing the case.

3. Something to consider in the future could be "marks" or "infractions" for people instead of just the straight Postive/Negative feedback. Just 1 Negative Feedback effectively brands you a bad trader and puts a mark on you that cannot remove. These would only remain noted on a profile temporarily and as long a person doesnt accrue more they could be removed and a person's reputation wouldnt suffer. This is probably something that would need alot more fine tuning and restructuring in and of itself but just throwing the idea out.

drnaturalist wrote:

Do we have a volunteer to be judge and jury? Sure it would be great to have due process, but does it always lead to the right verdict? Look at all the bad trading reports, it's always a misunderstand or something and no negative feedback can be left. Again what's the point of having the option to leave negative feedback if it gets wiped the the BTR? If it took 2 months to get cards, sure they "completed" the trade, but mean while you lost out on 2 months of time playing the cards you send, trading the cards you sent, playing with the cards you should have received ect. I want to trust all the traders, but when I get cards that are claimed to be near mint and get something like this
http://imgur.com/JzKI2Q9, it is way more difficult to get the other trader to acknowledge that it's not near mint, and the hassles in get 4 bucks in trade value is not worth it. I'm not in this game to make money, but it's easier to unload a near mint Iona than a moderate play one and some 4 dollar card should I choose to sell or trade. The site clearly states that "Under no circumstances should you give negative feedback if: 1) you received communication from the other party and 2) you received the cards in the condition that you expected them to be in. Please use the text box provided to note excessively slow shipping." So in theory, they can communicate with you for 6 months, wait till post rotation, then buy the card on the cheap and then mail out to you and you won't be able to leave negative feedback. I am exaggerating a bit, but I hope somebody volunteers to oversee negative feedback, or have a drop down menu for negative feedback OR make neutral feedback more accessible on the main page since it is the best way to rate a trader in my opinion.


Thats the job you take as Mod for a service such as this. They are the Judge, Jury and Executioner and by clicking the "I accept" button before each trade, you agree to abide by the rules of the site and those who "govern" it.

There have been plenty of trades where permission to give Negative Feedback was given and theres also been plenty where it wasnt needed. A BTR shouldnt have to immediately translate to Negative feedback is all Im saying. 

Again Im not advocating that this person shouldnt get Negative Feedback but its just like any other site that you would trade on that you need to get permission to leave Negative Feedback otherwise you can get Negative Feedback yourself for not following the rules.

BaronVonVaderham wrote:
Helios52 wrote:
BaronVonVaderham wrote:

Ok I went digging through my trash to find it. For the record, I don't think it should be this difficult to get permission to leave negative feedback when the other party freely acknowledges he didn't send the cards the first time he claimed to do so.

This how it would be if you traded on any other site. There needs to be a process in making sure that Negative Feedback is actually warranted based on the evidence given  to the Mods so people can actually know that the Negative Feedback was deserved. Trade reputation is the most important way to gauge a person's honest and so its the thing that needs to be most considered and monitored so people dont just go giving Negative feedback for their own interpretation of the rules. Thats why having the BTRs are good because it gives both Parties and a chance to speak their part and have a biased party decide the outcome. If leaving Negative feedback was just left after the trade was completed, it wouldnt mean as much because other people can still have or have had good dealings in the past with a person.

In this case Im not saying negative feedback shouldnt be given, but just like in court, there is always a Due Process to make sure the correct verdict is the right verdict


Understandable in general, I agree...but in this instance there is free admission that the cards were never sent on multiple occasions where it was claimed that they were. There's clear evidence in the chat log that this trader was dishonest about shipping and never mentioned the poor condition of his cards....it seems ridiculous to have to dig through garbage for an envelope on top of that.

True enough, but even in Court and the defendant willing admits to killing someone, they dont just put them in Jail and throw away the key. They still go through the processes (albeit faster than if he denied it) before the case is closed.

Also Im just saying this all as a general statement to everyone who has an issue with how BTRs are handled not just you. Ive seen alot of posts about it recently so Im just making a point.

BaronVonVaderham wrote:

Ok I went digging through my trash to find it. For the record, I don't think it should be this difficult to get permission to leave negative feedback when the other party freely acknowledges he didn't send the cards the first time he claimed to do so.

This how it would be if you traded on any other site. There needs to be a process in making sure that Negative Feedback is actually warranted based on the evidence given  to the Mods so people can actually know that the Negative Feedback was deserved. Trade reputation is the most important way to gauge a person's honest and so its the thing that needs to be most considered and monitored so people dont just go giving Negative feedback for their own interpretation of the rules. Thats why having the BTRs are good because it gives both Parties and a chance to speak their part and have a biased party decide the outcome. If leaving Negative feedback was just left after the trade was completed, it wouldnt mean as much because other people can still have or have had good dealings in the past with a person.

In this case Im not saying negative feedback shouldnt be given, but just like in court, there is always a Due Process to make sure the correct verdict is the right verdict

I wish I had the cash for Goyf for my Cube sad

Oh well...

509

(21 replies, posted in Reddit MTG Trades)

mrturk1001 wrote:

I agree with most of you. Here is what I do. I send ALL trades in bubble mailer packages. I send them out as first-class parcel ($2.07 for US delivery) AND USPS tracking ($0.90 more). I then GIVE that information to the person I am trading with. This is my common practice. It would be nice if others did the same thing, but I am aware that money is a problem. Spending $3 for a $4 trade is not the best way to go for most, but I feel that my trader and myself can keep track of them going in transit. I have bought cards from members as well as making $100+ trades. I have no problem GUARANTEEING my items (made one mix-up and has been corrected) and standing behind my word of when cards of mine are sent. This should be a common practice itself, but it isn't. Money is and will be a common problem in this game. If you can NOT spare the $3 to make SURE your cards are sent AND tracked, then you shouldn't be trading via mail.


Holy bananas! Sir let me introduce you to cheaper shipping...

http://deckbox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3094

Get paypal (if you dont already) and enjoy Shipping at half the price your paying...

510

(3 replies, posted in Rochester NY MTG)

I actually forwarded imsully this post since he's not part of the group wouldn't have known about it otherwise. I know that he was having issues in the past with his Internet and college during the last few months and while its not all entirely excusable just thought he should be made aware of any lingering issues he might no fully be aware off.

Just an FYI, I would change the edition of some of the Foils you have to reflect the Commander's Arsenal.

512

(21 replies, posted in Reddit MTG Trades)

outofstep wrote:

I still think trades over a certain dollar value should require Delivery Confirmation. If you can't afford it (and it's like $1.50), then you should stick to local trading and leave online trading to the adults. The DC# would allow you to see, without fail, if they actually sent the cards when they said they did. If you look up the number and it says, "Electronic Shipping Info Received" for 2-3 days with no forward progress - you know they only registered the number and never sent it.

That bullshit gets them an immediate ding on the transaction.

I just want to point out tho that DC and Tracking are not always updated properly by the Post office. Ive had packages not show any "progress" until a someone marks them as received and then the progress shows it was just delivered. Ive actually talked to people at the Post office when I trying to resolve the location of some of my stuff and they told me that unless its insured over a certain value, they are not required to update the progress on the website.

I have 2 of those so sure

I could so something like that except I only have 1 blind obedience to go along with the ghost dad 2.0

Shot you a request smile

516

(10 replies, posted in Reddit MTG Trades)

Interested in the Foil Assemble the legion and the Thesbian Stage. Let me know if you see anything my list

Id be interested in the Foil Aurelia. Let me know if you see anything in my list. Just updated with GTC stuff

I'd be interested in the foil Lazav. Let me know if you see anything of mine

519

(2 replies, posted in Reddit MTG Trades)

I just made a label using Paypal Shipping for a 3oz large package/envelope and it went up from the usual 1.64 to 1.69. Not a huge bump but noted

520

(5 replies, posted in Reddit MTG Trades)

Honestly I dont see it dropping alot anytime in the near future. Perhaps he might come down alittle to something like 90-85. Even tho hes only played (heavily) in Legacy, its one of a few cards that put it self on the Reserved List due to is power level and will more than likely never see a reprint baring a Judge Promo, so he does hold alot of value for collectors and legacy player alike. Not to mention, he could very well come off the Ban list in a future unbanning.

521

(3 replies, posted in Reddit MTG Trades)

I'm interested. Let me know if you see anything from my list

522

(2 replies, posted in Reddit MTG Trades)

I'm interested as well.

Im actually interested in the Counters. What value do you put on those?

I could use a FTV Gifts for my cube. Check out my stuff and see let me know if you want to work something out.

525

(4 replies, posted in Site Discussion)

After giving all my the cards I have from the Commander's Arsenal the correct editon icon, its giving all the prices for the those cards 0.00 value...