This is the feature I have most hoped for for all the years I've been using Deckbox. Thank you !!!

To echo mlndb10wN, Pauper unifies online and offline so it would be great if you could figure out a way to code it so that (except for banned cards), both online and paper commons count as legal. mlndb10wN already listed some common Pauper format staples that cause decks to be marked as invalid Pauper decks, but hopefully WotC provides a data feed for you to do this programmatically rather than card by card.

Again - thank you!

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Pauper Legality is now on Gatherer as of July 9, 2019 . Given that you currently show legality for the other formats on Gatherer, I'm guessing it would be an easy change to add Pauper to "Format" and "Format Legality Details" using the same code you do for the other formats.

Can you add Pauper?

meldon44 wrote:

Did you give the Deck Checker a shot? I'm not sure what would be even easier, other than a native feature developed by Sebi.
Give my method a shot! I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at how easy it is.  smile

Haven't yet tried it. You mentioned a 20 deck limit . . . I'm up to 24 Pauper decks so far and figure to sail past 30 within a few months. All for about the cost of one high end Modern deck :-)

jeacaveo wrote:

Is there a way to see the cards that I have in my decks, but are not in my inventory? Without having to go to each deck individually?

Has anyone been able to figure out an easier way to do this than what I listed earlier in this thread? I have a folder with 23 Pauper decks that I constantly tinker with. Every 6 months or so I combine all the decks together into one massive deck so I can more easily see which cards I'm missing. This takes about 20-30 minutes of my time, and then it gradually gets out of date.

meldon44 listed a method he uses but I'm hoping for something even easier than that.

Sebi - the ultimate feature around this is being able to opposite click a folder and it would give you a menu choice for displaying all the missing cards among all decks in that folder.  Or integrating this into the search functionality. Or whatever - just some way to get to this list with 2-3 clicks.

settlerjoe wrote:
sebi wrote:

I found another pricing issue that will be fixed later today, that might be why they were slow to change.

OP is correct - no price updating has occurred at all since 7/19/18. Hope today's fix has a positive impact on prices.

Prices are updating since 7/26/18, so it was a one week "price freeze."

sebi wrote:

I found another pricing issue that will be fixed later today, that might be why they were slow to change.

OP is correct - no price updating has occurred at all since 7/19/18. Hope today's fix has a positive impact on prices.

sebi wrote:

Found a caching issue that has been messing up prices displayed, that should account for some of the errors. Looking into it.

Curious to know if you've been able to track down this pricing issue or any others related to pricing over the past few weeks?

In case it helps, here's some info on a pattern I've noticed a few times:

A card price will spike to nearly 10x it's proper value (or sometimes much higher for a card that is worth pennies). Over the course of 3-6 weeks it gradually falls down in price until it's close to true market value.

This happened to me with Thermokarst over the past 5 weeks. It spiked to $27 each (while the true market value did spike at the time, but to a value of around $4). It then gradually declined over 5 weeks and only today, 7/19/18, is it finally right in line with values seen in all the other markets.

Don't know if you already do this, or if you are permitted to do this, but a great thing to do would be to compare every card to TCG automatically and flag when off by some threshold (20% for expensive cards? 30 cents for cards worth less than $1.00?).

sebi wrote:

Found a caching issue that has been messing up prices displayed, that should account for some of the errors. Looking into it.

Terrific!

And I echo the crowd sourcing idea. If there were a few dozen users who were approved for making adjustments to prices and nothing else on the site - that could really help. I would be willing to do it for commons, which I track anyway as an avid Pauper player.

valdor wrote:

Unfortunately Sebi is the only person that works on the site, and besides basic maintenance and updates, he almost never interacts with forums. You can always try emailing him.

Ok - I just sent a support request - I asked him to reply to this thread about whether Sebi aware of the issue(s), and, if so to let us know if steps will be taken.

rfioren wrote:

Are there any admins that can even acknowledge this issue? it's been going on for several months; most of the prices are unfixed, many are getting worse, and there's been 0 response from anyone. I love this place but I really don't think that new features are more important than getting prices right.

Agreed - routine maintenance should be prioritized over new features. Can an admin chime in on this? Is there awareness that a growing number of cards are mispriced?

rfioren wrote:
settlerjoe wrote:
rfioren wrote:

The prices here seem to be losing their accuracy.

The prices seem quite accurate for Pauper staples. Sometimes they are off by 5% or 10% or even 15% but I consider that acceptable variation between markets. In aggregate it seems pretty good.

Here's a list of common and uncommon cards that seem inexplicably out of whack to me:
Mystic Remora
Duress (US)
Butcher's Cleaver
Incinerate (IA)
Skittering Skirge
Rootwater Commando
Snow Devil
Fireslinger
Serene heart

A lot of random commons that should be 5 cents are 50 cents+ like 5th edition unsummon, M12 Rusted sentinel.

Things are definitely worse than they used to be. The complete lack of acknowledgement from the admins make it all the more frustrating.

A few weeks after you wrote this, I saw two cards that went way higher than they should be and they have stayed high for over a week:

Duress ($5 to $8 for Urza Duress, even though it's only worth pennies)
Thermokarst ($24 to $27 when it's worth less than $4)

I don't carefully look at cards worth less than 50 cents so perhaps there are many cards worth a dime that are 45 cents that I don't even notice.

rfioren wrote:

The prices here seem to be losing their accuracy.

I can't speak for all cards as I'm a Pauper player/collector and I have fewer than 1000 rares (most of which I am happy to trade away for Pauper staples).

The prices seem quite accurate for Pauper staples. Sometimes they are off by 5% or 10% or even 15% but I consider that acceptable variation between markets. In aggregate it seems pretty good.

My OP was to note that there was a big jump on 1 specific day. Could be that it was just a bunch of NA cards got pricing for the first time that was under 30 cents/card. I noticed because a very large portion of my collection is worth less than 30 cents, so if something happens that either changes the value of all those cards in aggregate, or the NA cards turn into having a value, then I will notice.

Cards worth over 30 cents in my collection have been very reasonably priced over the past year with no sudden unexplained changes. Sometimes they change rapidly over a couple weeks but that is because it's happening in every market.

settlerjoe wrote:

The value of my cards on deckbox that are worth under 30 cents went up a lot today. Was there some kind of algorithm change? Is this just a temporary glitch?

Just eyeballing it, I saw many cards that went up in value by 2 or 3 cents, such as gainlands (the dual lands that come in tapped but increase life by 1).

I never did figure out what happened to cause the price jump. Another possibility as that many cards with no price at all got given prices below 30 cents.

The value of my cards on deckbox that are worth under 30 cents went up a lot today. Was there some kind of algorithm change? Is this just a temporary glitch?

Just eyeballing it, I saw many cards that went up in value by 2 or 3 cents, such as gainlands (the dual lands that come in tapped but increase life by 1).

jeacaveo wrote:

Is there a way to see the cards that I have in my decks, but are not in my inventory? Without having to go to each deck individually?

Not directly (that I know of). I have a clunky workaround that I use, though.

It's very easy to export deck lists. So let's say I'm trying to collect all the cards for a 14 deck battle box (which is, in fact, true). I export all 14 lists to a text file. I get rid of the word word "sideboard:" everywhere. Then I import the complete list into a new deck I call, say, "All 14 decks."

Sounds cumbersome, but it takes around 10-15 minutes which isn't too bad - and then it will update as you buy more cards.

The only problem is if you make any changes to any of the decks before you're done collecting. I did make a few minor changes at one point so I had to make a new "All 14 decks" list.

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sebi wrote:

Coming soon! (I know I said that a lot, but this time I'm really trying to finish it already!) big_smile

This is great news. While you're working on it, there's another related feature that might be easy for you to do as it's so similar:

Changing algorithm for choosing individual card edition/price displayed by a deck - or allowing a user site-wide setting to choose. Personally, if I'm not able to assign a specific edition of card to a deck, I want the edition which has lowest cost.

Being a Pauper player, I almost always look for the least expensive price on cards so when I am trying to build a deck, I want to know the lowest cost of cards I'm missing. I'm not sure what algorithm is currently used to determine card edition within a deck, but it is definitely not lowest cost, and often the edition displayed is not even in my inventory.

For example - Urza's Mine shows as Ninth Edition, $6.47 in my various Tron decks. The reality is that I don't own any from Ninth edition. I have a bunch from Chronicles that are worth just over $1.00 for the most part, and if I wanted to buy more I would be paying less than $1.50 for each Urza's Mine - I would never consider buying 9th Edition Urza's Mine.

Some Pauper $60 or $70 Pauper decks look on Deckbox as if they cost over $150 because of the editions they're pulling from. If the algorithm displayed editions that had the lowest current cost of card, I would get a much more realistic sense of how much I need to pay for "cards not owned" and therefore make the "cards not owned" number a much more helpful number.

I have no idea if players in formats other than Pauper would care about such a feature.

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sebi wrote:

you can still get the value for your > .20 cards, by filtering by price then clicking on show set value.

Got it. Very simple to use part of search, and works great!

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Total value as it is now, and total value of cards worth > 30 cents, perhaps?

Oh wow I see that you already implemented the change of showing values of cards worth more than .30, when Total Set Value is selected. Given that I collect Pauper and have mostly commons, my total set value drops from $2,728 to $969. A lot of my .20 to .30 cards are worth something to Pauper players, though.

Perhaps .20 would be a better cutoff?

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On my account, there was a big increase in prices of 10 to 20 cent cards from about July 4 through around July 12 or so, but since then the daily price increases have stopped. Prices are stable at a level that is much higher than they used to be prior to July 4.

Given that I collect primarily commons for Pauper, and that quite a few of these cards are worth less than 25 cents, the value of my deckbox inventory went up by about 20% in the first week of July. I don't know the exact amount as I was also adding some inventory at the time.

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I like the last idea settlerjoe, to provide more information in the total value field. What would you think would be useful?
Total value as it is now, and total value of cards worth > 30 cents, perhaps? Or 50 cents?

Something like that, yes. Perhaps allow the user to input the cutoff amount? Also - would be great if all basic lands (except special ones like foils, full-art, etc.) were excluded, regardless of the price cutoff. I've seen way too many times a basic land worth a penny at most is listed for as much as 50 cents on deckbox.

However, if you're going to fix that cutoff at a certain number, I wouldn't go higher than 24 cents, as anything worth 25 cents or more has real trade value, especially for Pauper players. Perhaps you could seek input from the Deckbox community for what that fixed cutoff should be, but I imagine it will be different depending on the type of player. Pauper players such as myself would rather have a lower cutoff of around 20 cents, I would imagine.

To elaborate:

With in-person trades at my LGS, 25 cents is about when people start to pay attention to the value of the card in a trade ("we're at $22 for you, $23 for me, how about throw in 4 of these 25 cent cards to even out the trade"). On the other hand, it seems like cards valued at less than 20 cents are thrown in for free in some of my trades.

There are many important cards for the Pauper format that cost less than 25 cents according to Deckbox (but which often differ by a few cents from TCG). Ghostly Flicker is .21.  Atog .25. Gorilla Shaman .20, Kor Skyfisher .19, etc.

If you want to get a sense for Pauper card values, you can look at this deckbox list I made, which represents the contents of a 53 deck "Pauper Battle Box" (decks that have done well in at least one online tournament in 2014-2105) that was publicly posted to the reddit/pauper board:

http://deckbox.org/sets/1280397

I'm gradually trying to acquire all of these cards, in the listed quantities, mostly by sifting through the penny card bins at my LGS. These cards have real value to paper Pauper players, especially the ones with 5 or more listed for the quantity (it means the cards are used in multiple decks).

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Same thing here. I mostly collect Pauper so most of my cards are commons (or uncommons that were printed at common once). The value of my collection started going up on July 4 or so and has increased in value by around 20% since then, going up a few percent each day. Today it went up yet again, though the rate of increase is slowing.

I would love to be able to choose a setting that zeros out the value of all basic lands, and all cards costing less than, say, 21 cents. That way I can track real value over time. I know that if I tried to sell all my basic lands and all my < 21 cent cards, I would get virtually nothing.

Currently, 59% of the "value" of my collection is cards costing 20 cents or less.

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Back on line for me. Was out for about 30 minutes.

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I too having same issue for the last 20 minutes. Tried from both Opera, and Firefox. From Opera I get following message, which I guess is generated by Opera browser:

The deckbox.org page isn’t working
deckbox.org is currently unable to handle this request.