What can I do about people scamming? (Page 1 of 2)

http://deckbox.org/forum/viewforum.php?id=56

You go to the above link and file a BTR and let the Mods contact him. If he continues to ignore you or you get no contact, you can file Mail Fraud and he can be banned from the site

Last edited by Helios52 (2013-07-23 20:15:16)

I was wondering about this since Midnight12 has 88 feedback 100% positive, but after looking at his open trades it does appear as though he is scamming now

You still can if you wish. Filing a BTR will just get a Mod involved and they can help sort out what needs to happen to get the trade resolved.

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This is curious. Midnight also claims to have not received your cards according to the trade it seems like. He has had 88 completed trades on this site with 100% rating. You've had 9, and have cancelled 2 trades after accepting them.

My point is that let's not all go to the side of this dude based on his side of the story. He could just be getting the jump on midnight for the inevitable dispute involving mods.

Edit: Scratch that. From midnight's ongoing trades, it seems like he's changed his honest ways and wants to scam as much value as he can before his account's shut down. We probably need to get a mod involved immediately so more people aren't scammed.

Also I can't stress enough using their personal information against them. By that I don't mean putting it online, but getting the cops involved and getting the real person behind the online username into trouble. People do online scams because it doesn't impact their real life. Once that's threatened, however little, they will usually get scared.

Last edited by anubomb (2013-07-23 22:13:45)

Mail Fraud:

Talk to the other people he's trading with. It's a federal crime, and can land him in prison for 5 years. A friend of mine went to school with a kid who tried pulling a similar stunt (mail trade of items) and landed in prison for 4 years in Rawlins, Wyoming for his efforts.

Maybe let him know this too...

This is also why I ALWAYS print my mailing label with Paypal.  For $1.69, you'll have tracking information, so there can never be a dispute about if a card was delivered or not.

These should stay in the BTR forum imo. This is just he said she said and being tried in the court of public opinion. Both sides sent without delivery conf. and both are claiming to not receive anything. Both could be telling the truth or lying, and neither can prove it. Even better is the other party is the one who asked about the status of the cards first. Midnight didn't claim to not have the cards in response to Joe asking him about it, midnight asked first, then Joe claimed he hasn't received either.

My crystal ball predicts the mods will point out the rule that reminds them to use delivery conf. and since both parties claim to have received nothing and can't prove otherwise that the trade is going to be written off.

I didn't miss it.  It was stupid on his part to say it, but he is frustrated about being out $50 in a trade. I can understand that. Everyone who thinks he is really going to drive 6 hours to yell at a guy about a magic card raise their hands. I think posting one side of a story and letting the other person be tried in the court of public opinion is a problem. Let the mods sort this out. Look at the feedbacks. Joe has 12 trades and 2 neutrals, midnight has 88 and no neutral or negative. Which trader is the one that other people have had problems with and which one hasn't had one dissatisfied trade partner until now?

Last edited by jassi007 (2013-07-24 15:00:28)

Not, specifically.

Now, there are certain cases (like what I did with an asshat detailed here: http://deckbox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=8699) where you can take some action.

Sadly this kid ended up escorted out of the very event he threatened to find me at.

But legally? Nah, not really. It's technically considered a threat, but the honest answer is the cops won't do anything *until* its too late.

Mods can, however, take action. It won't get your LOTV back though without filing mail fraud. I'd personally do it.

Very entertaining indeed ^_^

Take a look at the previous conversation on this page and you will see that other trades that midnight is a part of have similar situations. Pay attention before you start making assuming judgements just based on # of trades