Token&promo imports, fixes and a "Request for Feedback" :) (Page 2 of 3)

So let us start by saying the sniping issue sucks for sellers, it just does and there isn't a ton you can do about it unless you are dedicating all your time to Magic which is unrealistic for many, so I am not without empathy.

At the same time, if you can't manage multiple platforms or your inventory then perhaps you need to rethink your selling strategy. Again, sucks, but you do need to accept some responsibility here.

As for DB buying/selling as a whole. The main problem as I see it is that the pricing on this website can't compete with a plethora of other options when it comes to buying cards at a good price. Sellers want retail pricing when they aren't a retail shop with all the overhead.

Let's use Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath. It's 49.99 on SCG, it's 59.99 CND on F2F, it's about 40 Mid and 33 Market (usa) on MTGStocks/TCG. I found a Canadian seller on here for 54.99 USA. I can buy them on FB Sick Deals pages for  45 CND.

With all of these options DB is priced out and rarely a viable option for me. If I want to pay for security I just pay retail to SCG or F2F and it's still cheaper. If I want the lowest price I just do my due diligence and check refs on FB and buy there.

Now, it's not to say you can't find deals on DB, or sellers who are willing to work with you in terms of pricing, but you have to put the time in, cultivate the relationship, usually point them in the direction of "cheaper alternatives" in order to get there. When it works it's great.

I would love to use DB as a platform for more than just "trading" but honestly, there are better options out there. I recognize a lot of users from MTG Finance subreddit, so it's not like what I am talking out is foreign to anyone who buys/sells regularly and/or frequents that subreddit.

You pay retail for the added security (or sometimes to acquire HOT cards you need NOW), otherwise you are over paying. Simply put, if sales are slow, your cards are overpriced (on any platform).

I wish we could all just get retail for all our cards but that is a myth.  Sorry if this type of logic upsets the general audience, it's not my intention, rather a sad fact.

*EDIT* To answer the actual question. I don't like turning the buy option into the same thing as trading. All it does is push buyers away. How can one trust a system that you can't purchase from "immediately, and/or may or may not follow through on the transaction" after the fact?  Sounds awful to me

Last edited by TechnicolorMage (2020-11-23 04:12:15)

I think this is a great idea from FastTadpole. I think this gives the best of both ways, which ever you want yourself. But if you do want to be an auto-seller, you should not be able to just cancel an order without consequents.

I am all for adding in this feature. Someone on a previous thread stated something like this: sales shouldn’t be done like an actual storefront shop.  I should be able to trade you my cards for your cards or “trade” you my money for them.

I don’t think Deckbox is for business’ to use as another platform to sell like with TCG, EBay ect. Deckbox is used for individuals to help manage their personal collections, to get cards they want/need and to offload the ones they don’t. Sales should be done like trades not like a business. I agree with what Meldon said:

I trade you my 5 cards and $20 for your 6 cards.

I mainly use deckbox as an inventory management site. I like to know that when someone is looking for something wether I for sure have it or not. When I sit down at a table to trade with someone, we both pick a pricing site (usually TCG but as long as you use the same site for both sides it usually doesn’t matter) and then go from there to make a deal. Deckbox should be used the same way. It’s the “table” we can both sit at to make a deal. It also functions as the venue like a local game store, GP, competitive event, ect where you can meet multiple people to interact with to find what you want/need. If I want to just buy a card for its market price I will go to a retail store (tcg, card kingdom, coolstuff, LGS, ect) and buy it straight up. I come to deckbox to work with individuals on a personal level to make deals that we’re both happy with, not to just buy from a store. A store is only gonna be in it for the profit, people will have different motivations. I know if I really need a card I’m ok with losing a few dollars in a trade to get it. Sometimes if I like the attitude of the person I’m trading with, I am much more inclined to give them a better deal then if they are being rude or being a stickler for the cents of a card in a trade. If I try to trade a card in to an LGS I’m lucky to get 50% of it’s value. When I trade an individual I usually get almost full value for it. I don’t want to have to sell 2 $100 cards to a store to buy 1 $100 card I need. I’m all for adding in a feature to trades where you can trade cash as part of the deal if you need to even out a trade or if one person doesn’t have anything the other wants. Deckbox should of course still get their cut for providing the venue/“table” for our transaction and that feature could be included into the transaction.

Last edited by Islanzadi38 (2020-11-23 19:45:11)

I support the removal of "auto-accept" as well.

While I have not yet bought, sold, or traded on Deckbox, I might choose to someday, and I think both sides of any exchange agreement deserve protection.

To all the people saying "sellers need to be more responsible" - some of us who sell/look to sell are just ordinary people with a huge inventory and very little time. It's why I would consider selling/trading here - the time efficiency in being able to *find* deals is strictly superior, especially given the current global pandemic issues, and I have a lot of cards I can move. However, I feel as if I, as a seller, don't deserve to get screwed because a price spiked and I didn't have a chance to reset my prices because I was at work or otherwise occupied at the instant of the spike. Please remember that there are tens of thousands of unique cards and probably over one hundred thousand unique printings of cards, and that's a lot for someone for whom selling is at most a side gig to keep up with on an instantaneous basis.

Would there be a way (and maybe there is and I haven't seen it yet) for sellers to set prices as some sort of percentage of an established price (like when we have TCGPlayer prices up here)? If I agree to sell all my cards at, say, 95% of TCG Mid, then my prices would just update automatically as prices spike... would it not? I feel like that could solve a lot of problems. Of course, I have no idea how feasible this kind of idea is, as I haven't done coding in so long that I can safely say I don't code at all. LOL

That is a big NO.

A buyer has the right to know when a seller experience would lead to negative feedback. That includes when a seller is cancelled by the seller for any reason.

Again I’d like to point out: No one has to come here to buy since there are other options. Anything that you do to make the buying experience worse for the consumer means they will not come here to buy. Less traffic means less sales, less sales mean less money. Less money for you, less money for others, less money for deckbox.

Not really. It'll still be limited by 1) how often the source data updates and 2) how often Deckbox updates based on the source data. Many sites only update once a day, so a card can still spike in that 24 hour period and you can still lose money.

It's still not a bad feature request, because at worst it allows you to be hands free and not worry about it if you don't want to.

Sebi was never suggesting the removal of "auto-accept". It'll still be the default.

Except the proposed "delayed accept" option doesn't offer buyers any protection they didn't already have (they can still submit a dispute with Deckbox / PayPal / credit card company). At most it ensures their money isn't tied up if there IS a lengthy dispute. But that's not a common occurrence anyways. In 99% of cases, they'll just be refunded, so they have their money back right away. The protection it removes is price protection. Anywhere else, I know that the price I click "Submit Order" for is the price I'll get. So this option is pro-seller and pro-profits, not pro-buyer and pro-price guarantee.

To be clear, I still support the addition of this seller option, because more options are better for everyone. What I'd strongly stand against is this becoming the global default for selling.

And to all the sellers saying the above.... The amount of money you make at ANY job or side gig is directly proportional to the amount of time and effort you put in. I respect that not everyone can devote large amounts of time to selling their personal collections; I'd be in the same boat. But they should be satisfied with the consequently smaller profits they make. I like @MagicallyAddicted's analogy above: You're not a retail store and can't spend the manpower on it. You're a garage sale. So garage sale prices is what you get. Want to make better profits? Operate your selling gig like a retail store.

Buyers don't deserve to get screwed because they bought your card for $5 when other sources had already spiked to $10, but by the time they find out you're canceling on them, the other sources have spiked even higher to $15. If they hadn't waited on you, they could have gotten the card for $10 and saved $5.

1. You (most likely) don't own one of every single card and variation, or likely even 90% of them, so total cards in existence is irrelevant.

2) The quantity of cards you actually have to consider are only the ones you list at any given time. If I decided to start selling, I'd only list a small subset of my cards at a time so I could keep a close eye on them. But if you decide you want to list 30k unique cards, then consequently you won't be able to watch them as closely and you'll miss spikes. *shrug* Them's the breaks.

3) Not every card is worth monitoring. Don't get upset if a 50 cent card spikes to $3 and you miss it. Sure, if 10 copies sell out, you've missed out on $25. What's more important is watching the vintage and rare/mythic cards that would actually lead to bigger money if they spike. Even if you list your entire collection despite #2 above, you don't have to monitor and update your entire collection.

Last edited by meldon44 (2020-11-28 03:53:28)

I didnt plan to comment again but Ive been following this thread and saw this, the idea of having feedback tampared with scares me. DO NOT DO TIHS!

ps. thanks Morgoth666 and meldon44 for standing by me. I know I was being pretty harsh in that first post and honestly thought a lot of people would be offended and comment mean things back so I apreciate you dudes.

I like the idea, I often want to discuss conditions and verify quantities before purchasing, so it makes sense to have a way to communicate with the seller before paying. My only suggestion is that it should be the default for everyone, not opt-in

Not the *only* method, the *default* method: by default, sellers and buyers should have a chance to talk before finalizing orders, which is exactly the same of how trades are handled. In this way sellers can decided if they feel the need to edit the prices or if they are just happy with they prices they set. If a seller is sure of their prices and dont want to interact with the buyer then they would need to explicitly set the option. In that case, the buyer should be more protected from cancellations "because a card spiked", and a negative feedback for cancellation would make sense there, since the seller had the option from the start, but preferred not to set it.

Communicating is already possible, there is a "discuss with seller" button that makes the order visible to the seller before it's completed and paid for, and can be discussed

yes but it often happens that a card is sniped while a order is discussed, so not many people end up using.
if this new mode is made default it should happen less frequently, hopefully

Reading from other users, this is probably not a popular opinion.  I think people who listed their card to sell have a weird mindset.  If you are nickel and dime your consumer, you will not get that consumer back.  that's just not good business.  Anyone knows that "regular" is often more important to nurture and maintain.

In regard to price spike.  My question is, so what?  when you listed the price doesn't that means you were willing to let it go at that price when you listed?  even if the card became "demanded"  and it spike 15-20% ... but your mindset was okay to let it go at that listed price already, where is the lose? If you think the card is undervalue, then increase them above market price, or don't list them at all.  it's not that hard to judge cards. Looking at it in another way, let's say if the price tank, are you going to lower the price to match?  i know most seller won't.  Why does it only work one way?  I also feel like these loses from not price correcting on time is not a big deal.  How many card do you list of each copy?
how many spike card are there within a day, or even a week?  so what are you losing at the most?  $10?  $20?  You do realize that most spiked card eventually come down if you don't sell them off, right?  Isn't it better to just get rid of them to have capital?  even if it was underprice a little bit?

the only type of card that does not go down, or go down very slowly are Commander cards, and those rarely spike.  you can just read the card and hold on to those till it spike.  no one is forcing you to list them.  List 4 card of each copy maximum, and you will regulate the opportunity cost of spike card and vulture. You do price correction when you have to relist them.  it's not that hard.